Posted by MikeT23 on 9/14/2010 5:18:00 PM (view original):

Yeah, it is.  You're not doing your best to win games. 

Not if he was significantly better than the player he'd replace.  I've already said as much. 

Probably the best player I've drafted:
http://www.whatifsports.com/HBD/Pages/Popups/PlayerProfile.aspx?pid=3106086

Brought him up around the A/S break in HIS 2ND SEASON.   He promptly got injured but he was there because I needed him in my BL rotation.

Posted by plague on 9/14/2010 5:28:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by iain on 9/14/2010 5:04:00 PM (view original):
I can't believe you are not only condoning the exploitation of new players, but actively taking part in it.

Offering a trade that is wildly unfair to a new HBD player in the hopes of taking advantage of their lack of knowledge is mean spirited.

Do you also take candy from babies and blame their parents for not stopping you?

I don't take candy from babies, I differentiate between adults and children and games and real life. I treat new owners how I expect to be treated when I am new to the game. I don't expect to be babied or pampered by you or any other owner, and I know when going into any game I  understand that I am  responsible for my own actions.

Not much for analogies, huh?

I'm stunned that an otherwise rational person can miss the boat quite so badly on a pretty clear ethical matter.

Its not a matter of ethics. I have been the newcomer in many games, I don't expect you or anyone else to baby me and I am not going to baby you either.

Posted by iain on 9/14/2010 5:44:00 PM (view original):

Posted by plague on 9/14/2010 5:28:00 PM (view original):

Posted by iain on 9/14/2010 5:24:00 PM (view original):

Posted by plague on 9/14/2010 5:09:00 PM (view original):

Posted by iain on 9/14/2010 5:04:00 PM (view original):
I can't believe you are not only condoning the exploitation of new players, but actively taking part in it.

Offering a trade that is wildly unfair to a new HBD player in the hopes of taking advantage of their lack of knowledge is mean spirited.

Do you also take candy from babies and blame their parents for not stopping you?

I don't take candy from babies, I differentiate between adults and children and games and real life. I treat new owners how I expect to be treated when I am new to the game. I don't expect to be babied or pampered by you or any other owner, and I know when going into any game I  understand that I am  responsible for my own actions.

Not much for analogies, huh?

I'm stunned that an otherwise rational person can miss the boat quite so badly on a pretty clear ethical matter.

Its not a matter of ethics. I have been the newcomer in many games, I don't expect you or anyone else to baby me and I am not going to baby you either.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.  I don't think it's ethical to take advantage of someone when they don't know any better.

Given 2-3 seasons, sure.... screw 'em.  Ram it deep and hard.  The worse you can stick it to an experienced owner, the better.  All the more enjoyable when they've actually got more experience that I do.

I'd just hesitate in someone's first season, as it may sour them on an otherwise awesome game, and because I can't bring myself to really stick it to new owners, I prefer not to have them in my worlds.

Couldn't taking advantage of the inexperienced be applied to cruising the middle school yards for chicks while driving your badass '67 Corvette?

Posted by deanod on 9/14/2010 6:00:00 PM (view original):
I don't really care about babying the new owner, it's just a cheap way to build a team.  If push comes to shove, I can always plow an inexperienced guy in a trade, but I choose not to because it sucks the fun out of the game for me.

It's not that hard to build a stacked team- just allocate your assets toward developing your farm system while investing the bare minimum toward your ML team, scoop up high draft picks in the process, and trade rape an inexperienced owner or two along the way.  To me, this is boring because it's so easy a caveman can do it.  But not everybody is creative enough to consistently field competitive teams without taking this route, so if it's what you prefer, do you.

Posted by deanod on 9/14/2010 6:33:00 PM (view original):
Oh believe me, I can plow an owner and dress it up nice enough such that it will pass thru.  Also, there are a lot of worlds where you can pass thru a rapey deal on a weekend and not enough people will be around to veto.

Posted by tecwrg on 9/14/2010 6:35:00 PM (view original):
In good worlds, yes.  In 'tard worlds, where people don't care beyond their own team, or in new worlds that are filled with n00b's who might not quite understand player ratings as well as they should, lopsided trades can get through without a veto.  You seem to think that's OK.

Is it also OK to knock off a convenience store if you know you're not going to get caught?

Posted by MikeT23 on 9/14/2010 6:44:00 PM (view original):
Actually in good worlds with experienced, successful owners, it's more like iain said.   Bend 'em over and stick 'em hard.  They're experienced, successful owners.  The key words are "experienced" and "successful".  Show me a n00b that can have either of those attached to his name.