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Posted by MikeT23 on 9/16/2010 7:13:00 PM (view original):
What's the difference in ruining a game for someone, one that cost them $25, on the internet or selling someone a broken watch for $25 in real life? 
You just don't get it. Selling someone a broken watch as if its not broken would be unethical and illegal. Someone paying $25 for a game should expect to play the game and not expect special treatment. It's a game. You seriously cannot differentiate between real life and a game?
9/16/2010 7:24 PM
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Posted by deanod on 9/16/2010 7:11:00 PM (view original):
Posted by plague on 9/16/2010 7:04:00 PM (view original):
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Posted by plague on 9/16/2010 6:46:00 PM (view original):
Posted by deanod on 9/16/2010 6:25:00 PM (view original):
That I can also do.

It is ironic that somebody as manly and cool as plague plays online fantasy games that are normally reserved for huge nerds.
All games where you sit down by yourself on a computer console is nerdy. It's what we choose to do. Someone like you is always trying to elevate what you do by putting others down for what they do. You are overly judgemental, you think people should abide by your standards, and when people do not do what you want, you brand the act they do with a negative label and demonize the person for performing the act. It's one thing when you have opinions and standards and you hold yourself to those standards, but when you push your will on others by making them feel bad then you have moved into a narcissistic personality.
That's cute, you seem to think that you have developed a social expertise from the world of Everquest.

I am not a judgmental person- truthfully, I couldn't give two sh*ts what crap you do in your spare time.  I just think you're a whiny c*nt and it is therefore fun to bash you, because a) you deserve a lil bashing and b) it's mildly amusing to me.  Newsflash: people don't solely mock others in social interactions to make themselves feel better.  It happens sometimes, but that explanation is tailor made for social bottom feeders who also happen to be whiny c*nts.  "WAAHHHH!!! THEY ATTACK ME BECAUSE THEY HAVE LOW SELF-ESTEEM, POOR ME!"
Whose the one whining? You seem to have a warped definition of whining. I say let people play the game within the rules, but you seem to be whining because you don't like the rules, and Deanods rules are what people should abide by and anyone that does not abide by Deanods rules will be mocked, because I am Deanod you should be judged by me, abide by me..
Don't get lost in details over who's whining over what- the fact that you are a whiny person shines through your words, even in text.  You probably don't even realize it, but it's part of your vibe.
I am not getting lost over it. You have been whining because you don't like the way I play the game. That is it in a nutshell. I am not whining because I don't like the way you play the game. You did not come on and say I disagree with the way plague plays the game, you went on a attack mode that was straight out of high school.
9/16/2010 7:26 PM
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Posted by plague on 9/16/2010 7:24:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 9/16/2010 7:13:00 PM (view original):
What's the difference in ruining a game for someone, one that cost them $25, on the internet or selling someone a broken watch for $25 in real life? 
You just don't get it. Selling someone a broken watch as if its not broken would be unethical and illegal. Someone paying $25 for a game should expect to play the game and not expect special treatment. It's a game. You seriously cannot differentiate between real life and a game?
Do you not benefit, and damage someone else, when you rip off a n00b in HBD?  Don't you think you've diminished the value he gets for his $25?

Do you not benefit, and damage someone else, when you sell them a broken watch for $25?   Don't you think you've diminished the value he gets for his $25?

You've already said playing this game is an actual part of your real life.    I'm trying to understand the difference.
9/16/2010 7:35 PM
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I have not made one whine about what anyone else has done in this game. You guys are   whining about how I perceive the game which is you play the game by the rules..  In order to Whine you need to be complaining, you guys are the ones complaining, which means you are the ones whining.. I am not complaining just defending myself against your complaints/whines.
9/16/2010 7:35 PM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 9/16/2010 7:35:00 PM (view original):
Posted by plague on 9/16/2010 7:24:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 9/16/2010 7:13:00 PM (view original):
What's the difference in ruining a game for someone, one that cost them $25, on the internet or selling someone a broken watch for $25 in real life? 
You just don't get it. Selling someone a broken watch as if its not broken would be unethical and illegal. Someone paying $25 for a game should expect to play the game and not expect special treatment. It's a game. You seriously cannot differentiate between real life and a game?
Do you not benefit, and damage someone else, when you rip off a n00b in HBD?  Don't you think you've diminished the value he gets for his $25?

Do you not benefit, and damage someone else, when you sell them a broken watch for $25?   Don't you think you've diminished the value he gets for his $25?

You've already said playing this game is an actual part of your real life.    I'm trying to understand the difference.
When you sell someone a broken watch for $25 its a unethical and illegal if you tell them it works. If you sell them a broken watch for $25 and you tell them its a broken watch then the person who bought it understands that.

I am saying, no, I don't think you diminish the value in a game. There is a learning curve in all games, and veterans having a advantage is part of that game. I keep stating that when I play a game for the first time I expect to get my butt whooped, I don't complain if someone beats me within the rules of the game, and that includes getting the better of a trade. My expectations from both sides is exactly the same, I don't expect special treatment.
9/16/2010 7:40 PM
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If you trade someone a pile of turds for a stud, it's no different than selling a broken watch.   It's a simple case of "Buyer Beware".  The n00b should have known better as should have the purchaser of the watch.   Again, the difference is doing it face to face.   You don't have the heart, for lack of a better word, to screw someone out of $25 when you're looking them in the face.    I'm not saying that's a bad thing, ripping someone off isn't an admirable trait, but, because you can't do it face to face, it makes you less manly than you've been pretending to be.
9/16/2010 7:52 PM
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Deanod-Everything in this thread has been about you whining about what I do. Whether its trading with rookies or how I build my teams. I have not made a complaint about how you play the game except to counter your complaint of me. I know in your mind that you are not the one whining, but you have been the definition of whining.  Your forum personality is at least borderline Narcissist.

Mike-Even though you throw out some labels on occasion I appreciate the way you keep the discussion to a logical debate. I don't think we will ever come to a agreement on how a game should be played. In game I am more of a no holds barred type of player that the rules of the game dictates what I can and can't do, I expect that whether I am the veteran or the rookie. That is how I have always played games, and that is how I will probably always play games.

That said, we are just going round and round with nothing new being presented, and I don't wish to continue debating something if its going to continue at the level of high school.
9/16/2010 8:00 PM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 9/16/2010 7:52:00 PM (view original):
If you trade someone a pile of turds for a stud, it's no different than selling a broken watch.   It's a simple case of "Buyer Beware".  The n00b should have known better as should have the purchaser of the watch.   Again, the difference is doing it face to face.   You don't have the heart, for lack of a better word, to screw someone out of $25 when you're looking them in the face.    I'm not saying that's a bad thing, ripping someone off isn't an admirable trait, but, because you can't do it face to face, it makes you less manly than you've been pretending to be.
Again Mike, I have tried to say this over and over. I don't look at real life dealings the same as I do a game. You pay $25 to play the game, when you do that you should expect to play the game and everything that is involved in that game, when I am new to a game I do not expect you or anyone else to give me special treatment.

When you hand someone a broken watch for $25 under the premise that it is not broken, then you are unethical and committing a illegal act against the laws of the United States. It's just not the same analogy.

I differentiate my perception  between a game and real life. It has nothing to do with being a man.
9/16/2010 8:07 PM
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I'll take that to mean I won the debate.

You see, the thing is this:  I don't have a problem with the no holds barred approach if you're fighting a fair fight.  If you're playing with a bunch of experienced players, like in MG, bend them over and let the world mock them as soon as the deal is accepted.   But, when you have an experience advantage, bending over the n00b seems dirty.  And saying "Well, the rest of the world should have stopped me" is ludicrous.    The rest of the world is probably looking for their own n00b or just unconcerned with what you're doing because they want to do it later. 

If you want to play "no holds barred" play against people of your caliber.   Stop beating up 5th graders and declaring yourself a badass. 
9/16/2010 8:09 PM
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Screw you, I won.

9/16/2010 8:09 PM
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Handing over $25 is handing over $25.     Devaluing that $25 is devaluing that $25.   If you won't play "Buyer Beware" in person, that says something about you.  

You can say "game/real life" over and over again but it's 25 real life dollars any way you slice it.   
9/16/2010 8:11 PM
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Posted by deanod on 9/16/2010 8:09:00 PM (view original):

Screw you, I won.

You won the "I wear vests and don't get laid" contest.  STFU.
9/16/2010 8:12 PM
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Mike- I understand that in your opinion the watch and rookie analogy is the same. I see it differently, just like we play the game differently we react to life differently. If you want to get technical I never(I cant remember the last time I sold something) sell anything to a private person, if I don't want something I either give it away or I throw it away. I even gave away my 89 Camaro to someone at works daughter that I had never met, I could of probably sold it for a couple thousand, the engine itself was worth over a thousand.
9/16/2010 8:12 PM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 9/16/2010 8:09:00 PM (view original):
I'll take that to mean I won the debate.

You see, the thing is this:  I don't have a problem with the no holds barred approach if you're fighting a fair fight.  If you're playing with a bunch of experienced players, like in MG, bend them over and let the world mock them as soon as the deal is accepted.   But, when you have an experience advantage, bending over the n00b seems dirty.  And saying "Well, the rest of the world should have stopped me" is ludicrous.    The rest of the world is probably looking for their own n00b or just unconcerned with what you're doing because they want to do it later. 

If you want to play "no holds barred" play against people of your caliber.   Stop beating up 5th graders and declaring yourself a badass. 
There not 5th graders and I never said I was a bad ***. Any claims I have made has been to counter what others have directed at me. I did not come into this thread and say you should do what I say because I have won X amount of world series.

You can take that to mean what you want. In my opinion its a non winnable debate and after 3 days of this debate I figured it eventually has to come to a end.
9/16/2010 8:15 PM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 9/16/2010 8:11:00 PM (view original):
Handing over $25 is handing over $25.     Devaluing that $25 is devaluing that $25.   If you won't play "Buyer Beware" in person, that says something about you.  

You can say "game/real life" over and over again but it's 25 real life dollars any way you slice it.   
That is your perception, I disagree and so do the laws of the United States.
9/16/2010 8:16 PM
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