I drafted a player who was supposed to be hard to sign. Despite very high offers, he says he want to finish his degree. Is there any point in increasing the offers, or is the players mind typically set in this case? When will the player disappear from where you can make an offer?

Hey punk, if you really want the guy be persistant.  No guarantee, but sometimes persistance actually does pay off.  It has for me.  He won't "disappear" until your season ends.

As far as increasing your offers, you may want to wait on that.  I had a guy that did the same thing.  Once IFA's ran out, I just kept offering what was left of my prospect cash - every cycle (actually less than what I had offered him the first time he raised his demands).  I had nothing to lose.  Then, out of the blue with about 5 games left in the regular season, he signed.

So you never know.  It can be a risk for you though.  You obviously want to use your prospect budget wisely and if you're waiting on your pick to sign you could get burned.

My experience is that it doesn't matter what you offer.  Meet his demands, and he will either sign or won't.  Exceeding demands has never had an impact best I can tell.

Posted by mrauseo on 9/25/2010 5:06:00 PM (view original):
My experience is that it doesn't matter what you offer.  Meet his demands, and he will either sign or won't.  Exceeding demands has never had an impact best I can tell.

I agree - unless they demand more, don't offer more.  More likely than not, they will sign at the end of the season - I don't think I have ever gone without a prospect signing or telling me directly that he won't sign.

Posted by punkzip on 9/25/2010 12:03:00 PM (view original):
I drafted a player who was supposed to be hard to sign. Despite very high offers, he says he want to finish his degree. Is there any point in increasing the offers, or is the players mind typically set in this case? When will the player disappear from where you can make an offer?

If he rejects your offer and tells you that he won't sign, that is when you will be unable to even make an offer.  If you are still able to make offers, just offer what he demands and leave it - increasing won't help.

Don't offer more.  It doesn't help.  He'll give you answer (asking for more or rejecting) before the end of the season.  Just make sure that you save a few million dollars in prospect cash in case he wants more.  If he rejects the offer, you qualify for a type D pick the next season.

You only qualify for type D compensation if the player is a true 1st rounder. Not: a previous type D, supplemental pick or picked in the 2nd round or later,  

Posted by mrauseo on 9/25/2010 6:44:00 PM (view original):
You only qualify for type D compensation if the player is a true 1st rounder. Not: a previous type D, supplemental pick or picked in the 2nd round or later,  

That's not correct.  You get Type D compensation for 2nd and 3rd round picks as well.

Posted by cmthieme on 9/25/2010 7:46:00 PM (view original):

Posted by mrauseo on 9/25/2010 6:44:00 PM (view original):
You only qualify for type D compensation if the player is a true 1st rounder. Not: a previous type D, supplemental pick or picked in the 2nd round or later,  

That's not correct.  You get Type D compensation for 2nd and 3rd round picks as well.

True, but only if you offer them their demands. You get the D pick then if they don't sign. If you don't offer their demands, you'll get nothing.

Posted by torrone on 9/26/2010 9:00:00 AM (view original):

Posted by cmthieme on 9/25/2010 7:46:00 PM (view original):

Posted by mrauseo on 9/25/2010 6:44:00 PM (view original):
You only qualify for type D compensation if the player is a true 1st rounder. Not: a previous type D, supplemental pick or picked in the 2nd round or later,  

That's not correct.  You get Type D compensation for 2nd and 3rd round picks as well.

True, but only if you offer them their demands. You get the D pick then if they don't sign. If you don't offer their demands, you'll get nothing.

It's the initial demands, so once you make the offer and it's rejected, then you qualify for the type D pick if you don't pursue them further.

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That's not correct. You get Type D compensation for 2nd and 3rd round picks as well.
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Did not know that. Good to know.

Posted by shobob on 9/25/2010 6:03:00 PM (view original):
Don't offer more.  It doesn't help.  He'll give you answer (asking for more or rejecting) before the end of the season.  Just make sure that you save a few million dollars in prospect cash in case he wants more.  If he rejects the offer, you qualify for a type D pick the next season.

I don't know that it hurts either.  I had a guy turn down his initial request, like $2.5 mil.  So If figured what the heck, and offered him $4.5 mil the 2nd time, only to have him come back and say that he did want to play, but wanted a little more than his initial request and asked for $3.5 mil.  So rather than just accept my higher offer, he still came back w/ a revised asking price that was less than I was offerring.

Another question, if anyone knows.  does the length of time that they spend making a decision mean anything?  I had the #5 pick in a recent draft.  I offered him his original demands, and after 2.5 days (16 cycles), he came back and said no.  So I offered again, and this time after 8 cycles he said no.  So I offered a 3rd time, its now been 22 cycles and still no definitive word back from him.  After taking over this franchise half way thru last season, I hope this is our last top half of the draft pick for a long time, if ever, so I'd really like to sign him and would like as many chances to offer as possible.  I'm hoping the extra time making a decision this time means he's leaning towards yes, but suspect its just random.

I hurts to offer more, because it doesn't increase the chance of the draftee signing, and if he does sign, you'll have wasted that extra money for nothing.  If he's gonna sign, he'll sign, if he's not gonna sign, he won't sign.  Offering extra money has NO EFFECT.

Well I was under the assumption that those type of guys always ask for more money once they decide they want to sign.  I was wrong as I just had another draft pick in another world (#24 overall) sign for his original price after delaying the initial decision.

And sometimes they REALLY delay.  I had one time my first round pick not decide to sign with me until there was just FIVE regular season games left and he missed all of the minors that year.  I just left the offer out there and in the end he signed.