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What type of payroll structure do you generally use and why?
9/28/2010 2:23 AM
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here is the payroll structure I have began using in one of my worlds:



Season Franchise User Player Prospect Coach Coll. Scout HS Scout Int'l Scout Adv Scout Training Medical
17 Portland Microbrewers a3morey 88 20 10 0 8 15 10 17 17

I am now on my 5th season of using this structure.  My wins over the previous 4 seasons are 98, 102, 101, 75.  This payroll allows me to spend to the player payroll point I like the most (60-65 million) as well as secure top talent for future seasons in the international market. Over the last 4 seasons I have secured future superstars at C, 3B, RF, and SP in the international market (they are all still in the minors). I have moved away from spending on the draft because I feel that when picking at the end of the 1st round you will not get a superstar no matter how much money you pour into draft scouting.  

I'm sure some of you are thinking that my strategy sucks because I won 75 games my last season....  However, my long term strategy has not entirely took root yet as I did not yet have the strong farm system that this system will eventually produce. Next year I will have 5 solid relievers and a solid SP coming up from the minors and only 23 million dedicated to player salaries which will allow me to spend on the free agent market to upgrade the overall talent base on my team.

Once the ball gets rolling I will have an endless cycle of solid prospects coming up the big league team.  With the yearly superstar I am able to procure in the international market every year by spending up to 20 million or so, I will never have a lack of talent and I can then trade these guys away in their latter years on my team for more minors talent.  This will be an endless cycle that should allow me to have solid cheap players coming up to the ML every year while I secure a future superstar every year.  I will be very selective in the players I sign to long term contracts that go past the age of 31.  

Basically, I believe that securing young cheap superstar talent yearly allows you to stay competitive from year to year without any terrible seasons in between and that is the strategy I have decided to take on.   It may not work but I am damn well going to try.  

Its late, im tired, and this probably makes more sense to me right now than to anyone else.  So if this is just a jumbled mess to everyone out there I apologize.  Anyways, I would like to hear what other people's strategies are as well....

9/28/2010 3:00 AM (edited)
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Everything except medical and training changes.   And even medical is subject to change if I get too old as a team.

9/28/2010 6:57 AM
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Yea, the team you inherit kind of dictates the direction you go, no?

I inherited a stupendous minor league system in HJ, so was able to keep the salary low and keep the minor league budgets high. I can continue to do that until I have to start paying the piper at arb (and even then, I can bring up players to replace some arb eligible guys).

Cooperstown; no idea. So bad. #1 pick next year, os should throw money at the draft, but a few albatross contracts too. I could sell my soul to the devil and still not get enough budget for that team.

9/28/2010 7:41 AM
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The devil only pays like 4 loonies for a canuck soul.
9/28/2010 8:00 AM
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"Once the ball gets rolling I will have an endless cycle of solid prospects coming up the big league team.  With the yearly superstar I am able to procure in the international market every year by spending up to 20 million or so, I will never have a lack of talent and I can then trade these guys away in their latter years on my team for more minors talent.  This will be an endless cycle that should allow me to have solid cheap players coming up to the ML every year while I secure a future superstar every year.  I will be very selective in the players I sign to long term contracts that go past the age of 31. 

I think you're being overly optimistic on the highlighted statements.  In an ideal world, that would work.  But no HBD world is ideal.  And if it's a good world with attentive owners, they would see your strategy (particularly since you just advertised it here for all to see), and it would be in their best interests to make this a difficult strategy for you to execute.
9/28/2010 8:21 AM
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A lot of this strategy requires other owners to be willing to trade value for arb-eligible players, which isn't always an option.
9/28/2010 9:05 AM
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I didn't even read all that, tec.   The only way you can continue to turn aging, expensive players into top minor league talent is to play in a world with owners who dont' know any better than to allow you to do that.   Good owners aren't going to be your constant supply for cheap labor.
9/28/2010 9:19 AM
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How many think ADV Scouting is a waste of $$?
9/28/2010 10:18 AM
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Posted by travisg on 9/28/2010 9:05:00 AM (view original):
A lot of this strategy requires other owners to be willing to trade value for arb-eligible players, which isn't always an option.
Typical world maybe has 2 a season? Can't rest a strategy on being able to do that.

The irony is, travisg and I made that kind of deal last week. Oh, the irony!
9/28/2010 10:22 AM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 9/28/2010 8:00:00 AM (view original):
The devil only pays like 4 loonies for a canuck soul.
That's because he's rather have your filthy, Western civilization American dollars, the root of all capitalistic evil.
9/28/2010 10:23 AM
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Posted by tecwrg on 9/28/2010 8:21:00 AM (view original):
"Once the ball gets rolling I will have an endless cycle of solid prospects coming up the big league team.  With the yearly superstar I am able to procure in the international market every year by spending up to 20 million or so, I will never have a lack of talent and I can then trade these guys away in their latter years on my team for more minors talent.  This will be an endless cycle that should allow me to have solid cheap players coming up to the ML every year while I secure a future superstar every year.  I will be very selective in the players I sign to long term contracts that go past the age of 31. 

I think you're being overly optimistic on the highlighted statements.  In an ideal world, that would work.  But no HBD world is ideal.  And if it's a good world with attentive owners, they would see your strategy (particularly since you just advertised it here for all to see), and it would be in their best interests to make this a difficult strategy for you to execute.
eh, people will want to trade for superstars under contract who are still under the age of 30 ALL THE TIME.  I will have no problem finding takers for perennial all stars who are still under the age of 30, and have an affordable contract.
9/28/2010 12:30 PM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 9/28/2010 9:19:00 AM (view original):
I didn't even read all that, tec.   The only way you can continue to turn aging, expensive players into top minor league talent is to play in a world with owners who dont' know any better than to allow you to do that.   Good owners aren't going to be your constant supply for cheap labor.
eh, they dont have to be top minor league talent.  As long as I am getting some value/players who can contribute at the ML level i'll be ok.  The key to this game is having young/cheap players who can contribute at the major league level (all stars or not)
9/28/2010 12:32 PM
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The key to this game is acquiring assets.

If you're dominating, or just being highly competitive year in/year out, good owners will figure out how you're doing it.   And they won't help you continue to do it.  Your plan is sound.   But most good owners aren't going to send you the 12th pick in the draft for your 29 y/o making 8m for the next 2 seasons.
9/28/2010 12:37 PM
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Posted by a3morey on 9/28/2010 12:30:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 9/28/2010 8:21:00 AM (view original):
"Once the ball gets rolling I will have an endless cycle of solid prospects coming up the big league team.  With the yearly superstar I am able to procure in the international market every year by spending up to 20 million or so, I will never have a lack of talent and I can then trade these guys away in their latter years on my team for more minors talent.  This will be an endless cycle that should allow me to have solid cheap players coming up to the ML every year while I secure a future superstar every year.  I will be very selective in the players I sign to long term contracts that go past the age of 31. 

I think you're being overly optimistic on the highlighted statements.  In an ideal world, that would work.  But no HBD world is ideal.  And if it's a good world with attentive owners, they would see your strategy (particularly since you just advertised it here for all to see), and it would be in their best interests to make this a difficult strategy for you to execute.
eh, people will want to trade for superstars under contract who are still under the age of 30 ALL THE TIME.  I will have no problem finding takers for perennial all stars who are still under the age of 30, and have an affordable contract.
Good luck with that.

I think you're looking at things through rose-colored glasses.  The reality, at least in many good worlds, is that these guys don't often go for the seller's original asking price because they come along with a liability . . . expensive FA contract years in the near or immediate future.

I think you're running under an overly optimistic and flawed operating model if you think this is going to play out the way you outlined it here.  I wish you luck because I think you're going to need it.
9/28/2010 12:38 PM
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