Trade Rape 101 - jrcpga & Clarkson Topic

If he has or had multiple ID's in the world then that would be a violation of the fair game policy and he should be banned. If all he did was make trades with other owners that benefited him, and the trades went through the system without being vetoed, then there is no reason after the fact that owners should be on the forum crying. Now that the owners in the world have started using the veto process is a good sign, for those that have not used it earlier you will now have to live with the monster you created.
10/11/2010 1:59 PM
Or they could just abandon the world.  That's the thing about HBD.  You don't have to play in a world you don't like.
10/11/2010 2:01 PM
Posted by jketchum on 10/11/2010 9:53:00 AM (view original):
I'm in Clarkson and this league needs to be put out of its misery.  no one will compete in his divison for the next 10 - 12 seasons assuming it is stopped no and no more trades are made.  3 WS titles, 16 straight divison titles and nothing fishy has gone on here? I would welcome all of you when your bored to take a look at the trade history and make your own educated opinion.
Just because someone has won 3 WS and 16 straight division titles does not make someone guilty of cheating....Maybe I am reading what you said wrong, but you are basically accusing everyone who has had long term success in any sim game of being cheaters.
10/11/2010 2:01 PM
Posted by MikeT23 on 10/11/2010 2:01:00 PM (view original):
Or they could just abandon the world.  That's the thing about HBD.  You don't have to play in a world you don't like.
Very true. That is one way to destroy a dynasty.
10/11/2010 2:02 PM
The dynasty won't be destroyed.  Every world fills eventually.   But the owners who are upset by his dominance won't have to deal with it.
10/11/2010 2:03 PM
Posted by plague on 10/11/2010 2:01:00 PM (view original):
Posted by jketchum on 10/11/2010 9:53:00 AM (view original):
I'm in Clarkson and this league needs to be put out of its misery.  no one will compete in his divison for the next 10 - 12 seasons assuming it is stopped no and no more trades are made.  3 WS titles, 16 straight divison titles and nothing fishy has gone on here? I would welcome all of you when your bored to take a look at the trade history and make your own educated opinion.
Just because someone has won 3 WS and 16 straight division titles does not make someone guilty of cheating....Maybe I am reading what you said wrong, but you are basically accusing everyone who has had long term success in any sim game of being cheaters.
I'm not going to look at the trade history because I really don't care to.  But I did browse through the world chat some, and found it amusing that so many people were up in arms about wanting to force the guy out, even talking about petitioning ADMIN to forcibly remove him.

As far as I can tell:

a)  It's a public world, he has every right to be there
b)  He has not broken any WIS TOS rules
c)  If he has in fact been performing serial trade-rapes, shame on the rest of the world for not stopping him with vetos

The only real solution is for the people who don't like what he's doing is to either (a) use their vetoes, or (b) leave that world and find another.

If everybody who gives a crap leaves, then Yertle the Turtle can stay behind as the King of the Pond.
10/11/2010 2:33 PM
The OP has a better record than the cheater.  WTF?
10/11/2010 2:40 PM
Posted by MikeT23 on 10/11/2010 2:40:00 PM (view original):
The OP has a better record than the cheater.  WTF?
Classic diversionary tactic.  Get everybody to look the other way.
10/11/2010 2:53 PM
Posted by tecwrg on 10/11/2010 2:33:00 PM (view original):
Posted by plague on 10/11/2010 2:01:00 PM (view original):
Posted by jketchum on 10/11/2010 9:53:00 AM (view original):
I'm in Clarkson and this league needs to be put out of its misery.  no one will compete in his divison for the next 10 - 12 seasons assuming it is stopped no and no more trades are made.  3 WS titles, 16 straight divison titles and nothing fishy has gone on here? I would welcome all of you when your bored to take a look at the trade history and make your own educated opinion.
Just because someone has won 3 WS and 16 straight division titles does not make someone guilty of cheating....Maybe I am reading what you said wrong, but you are basically accusing everyone who has had long term success in any sim game of being cheaters.
I'm not going to look at the trade history because I really don't care to.  But I did browse through the world chat some, and found it amusing that so many people were up in arms about wanting to force the guy out, even talking about petitioning ADMIN to forcibly remove him.

As far as I can tell:

a)  It's a public world, he has every right to be there
b)  He has not broken any WIS TOS rules
c)  If he has in fact been performing serial trade-rapes, shame on the rest of the world for not stopping him with vetos

The only real solution is for the people who don't like what he's doing is to either (a) use their vetoes, or (b) leave that world and find another.

If everybody who gives a crap leaves, then Yertle the Turtle can stay behind as the King of the Pond.
The veto has been used 5 times this season and 4 times last season (the entirety of my tenure in the world). 

I was asked to take over one of the other problem franchises more than halfway through S15; some of the owners who didn't realize the world history had figured out what was going on but did not have enough interested, committed owners to enact the veto on clear "trade rapes". 

There are 14-18 owners who have pledged to leave the world at the end of the season if jrcpga does not. 

jrcpga has, multiple times, stated his intention to leave if a majority of the world asked. Since that has happened, he has been "on vacation" or "without internet access" and gone for 5-10 days at a clip, basically ignoring his own pledge and the terms he supplied. 

He has not violated the TOS; his methods have probably cost WifS ~$1000, given the number of one & done owners he has pillaged and turned off from the game. WifS will lose more money because most of the owners pledging to leave have also pledged to not pick up another team in another world (of course...who knows if that'll turn out to be true, but I'm hopeful). 

Lastly, the only reason I joined up in Clarkson was to help bust up the two juggernaut franchises and to restore competitive balance to the world. I've used the time to help new owners understand and enjoy HBD. We've got 10-12 excellent prospects for elite private worlds to recruit - players who now know the game and some of the hidden tips & tricks, thanks to the efforts of most of the veterans in the world and its excellent blog. My motivation here was to put more public pressure on an owner who is technically within the "letter of law" but who ***** all over the "spirit" of the rules. Usually, these forums are good for shitting upon tankers, trade rapists and the uneducated. 
10/11/2010 5:42 PM
Oh, and since I ignore MikeT, I have no idea what kind of crap he's spouting. I hope he's focused his considerable free time and charm to calling out and belittling jrcpga as only MikeT can do. But since I have little faith, MikeT has probably chosen to grind his considerable axe with me. 

FTR, I quit MikeT run worlds because I can't stand MikeT. I'm sure more than a few of you feel the same. If not - hey, different strokes for different folks. I took over a team in Foxx AFTER MikeT helped bust-it-up and have spent my time there educating new owners and contributing to the cleanup effort. I've spent more time in that world - and in all public worlds - than MikeT has and while I respect MikeT's knowledge of the game, I find his act to be overbearing, infantile and annoying. So, I ignore him and his posts. 

If anyone has questions about my efforts or motivations, I'm happy to answer them. Unless you are MikeT - he can go **** himself.
10/11/2010 5:49 PM
Yeah, he has no idea what I posted.   He quit my worlds because they're too hard.   Had he quit them because he couldn't stand me, it seems he would have said "I can't stand you, F off."  He didn't.  He made up pussass excuses like "lack of time" or "insufficient funds".   So don't buy his BS.   He likes to play in easy worlds where he can rack up the wins.  He couldn't do that in Coop or MG because we had no n00bs for him to rip off.

Look as his best team.  Foxx and Clarkson.   Two of the biggest 'tard worlds in all of HBD.  
10/11/2010 5:56 PM
I also find it hilarious when someone responds to you while saying "I've got you on ignore".  Dumbass wrote a book responding to what he couldn't read.
10/11/2010 6:06 PM

Mike, I'll gladly take the challenge of one of your worlds.  I started over in Clarkson in Season 11 (my first season in HBD) and turned a completely pileaged team into a contender . . . without taking advantage or raping anyone.  I wrote the blog and helped to try and turn the conscience of Clarkson around.  I helped get in like minded people (pnut and sox) and feel we did some good.   But I agree with you, it's now time to walk away and let the world become what it will. 

10/11/2010 6:24 PM

This isn't a recruitment thread.  Check your sitemail.

10/11/2010 6:34 PM
You're a funny man.  Consider it checked.  Plus now I can't leave Clarkson either, people are counting on me (sniff, sniff).  So be it.  I've got the juice to handle it all. 
10/11/2010 6:40 PM
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