I really don't see the big issue with the trade here. The veto option is to prevent collusion and negative impact on the world as a whole. How is this deal either of those things? You don't like the deal? So what, it's not your team, get over it. Do you think the deal is going to do harm to the league? If yes then by all means veto. Too many guys on here think they know more than everyone else and sometimes it isn't the case. Let owners make their own decisions and if a deal crosses the line then veto it, otherwise (like in this case), let it go.

tmfram: The whole point was to free up cap space. sending him to AAA does nothing to help that

k26: The prospect is better than the guy I was trying to move. My team went to gm7 of the WS last season and since several of my key players are aging or in the last yr of contract I feel that this is the yr to try to add one more key bat to the lineup. The 5.4M would have allowed me to bid on a couple of key FA.
 

schedule1: my feelings exactly. But I am only a newb.

timf: This is really what I was trying to say earlier. I think if neither of those things are taking place let me spend my money how I want.

to all: I concede that it isn't a great trade, but veto worthy? I don't think so.

What this has taught me is that I should have posted the 3 players in world chat and tried to get the best deal possible.
I made a couple of offers for a bat and got turned down, so with the FA clock ticking I went to the owner who had ALOT of holes to fill, knowing he would probably jump at the chance. Again I could have gotten more value, but time was critical and I didn't want to wait another day taking offers that may or may not come. The FA I was targeting was signed early and for less money than I would have offered, which indicates there wasn't a lot of bidding on him. Kind of sucks that a chance to really improve my team was negated by a bunch of "helpers".

I resubmitted the offer having the other guy toss in a AAAA CF with a 70+vR and not much else. It went through fine.
Of Course now the only FAs available are more expensive than my 5.4M increase will cover,.. so it was basically all for nothing, which IS a bad move on my part now.

Thanks again to all the good samaritans. If only they would incur some of the 25 dollars I spent to run a team

But there was NOTHING to hurt the world here.

If the trade was a bad one, One worth vetoing then how in the h*ll can adding timo oleary be the difference maker?

Posted by tropicana on 10/25/2010 12:27:00 AM (view original):
And it doesn't matter if it was something that harmed the world or not.  Either those trades should be allowed, or they should not.  No in between.  If they didn't feel you were getting enough back for the trade JUSt to be giving up the salary, then it is what it is. It's good to have that precedent. Just because your trade involved mostly crappy players that aren't very good, it DOES open that door up that down the road a trade like that could happen with better players involved.

And the problem is, the precedent has been set with your deal -- those trades SHOULD be allowed if your deal was allowed to go through. And when this other mega-salary-dump trade happened -- and trust me, had the precedent been set, it WOULD have happened -- whoever had that deal vetoed would have absolutely had a right to be ****** about it had your trade gone through.

It's about consistency.  And it's that consistency that shows your world is really on top of things there.  It's a good thing.

I have an MVP candidate 3B who is 34. He is making the max 20M and has another yr on his contract after this season.
 

I have a very good replacement in AA. He is better defensively, but he has only 75s across instead of 80s and 90s like my "stud 3B".

I decide that in all liklihood I am not going to make a run this season, and turn my eye to next season.

If I can dump this 20M salary right now, that means I could transfer 5M to my prospect budget and have a much better chance at signing an IFA SP I am in a bidding war for and am almost at my current limit. Additionally this will allow me to have another 20M next season to use in the FA market,

So I propose a trade to a team who is close and wanting to acquire an impact bat.

I only ask for one very very good defensive SS prospect with NO bat and a DH ( I'm in the NL) The DH is a LH specialty power hitter prospect, who is has awful fielding and low ratings everywhere else but is currently 69 vs L 93 PW and a 50 CN. (These are 2 key role players my team currently lacks).

I get the 2 role players I need. I get the IFA SP I was bidding on. I promote my rookie 3B and have 20M to spend in FA next year.
The other team makes the playoffs and has a great shot again next season with his newly acquired stud.

How is this trade (involving one of the best in the world) bad for the world?