You would not protect them on the 40 man roster, that is my point. If I re-sign a 6 year free agent and he is a major league quality player and I don't protect him, someone will draft him off the 40 man roster........What is the point of the current change? To shift which organizations have career minor leaguers? Is it really that important to shift career minor leaguers from one organization to another organization?

Posted by deathinahole on 11/12/2010 5:14:00 PM (view original):
Explain to me how it's more time consuming.

Current; Resign ML FAs. Resign minor league FAs. Sign ML FAs. Sign minor league FAs.
Future; Resign ML FAs. Sign ML FAs. Sign minor league FAs.

Agree with "who asked for this?", but point to where it's more time consuming.

Under the current system I resign all my own minor league free agents, then I am done, nothing else needs to be done, I am done in less than 1 minute. I don't need to be part of the free agent negotiation process because I have enough minor league free agents by resigning my own free agents.........

Under the new system I will have to compete for career minor leaguers with other owners. I could care less about a career minor leaguer, I just want to fill my minor league system so I decrease injuries, and decrease the amount of complaining of a world who wants me to have my minor leagues stocked..

You're a posting contradiction.

Sign minor league FA when everyone else is done.  You don't have to "compete" for them.  You want to fill out your minor league system.  You can do that without getting into a bidding war.

Posted by MikeT23 on 11/12/2010 7:07:00 PM (view original):
You're a posting contradiction.

Sign minor league FA when everyone else is done.  You don't have to "compete" for them.  You want to fill out your minor league system.  You can do that without getting into a bidding war.

It's not that simple.....When I resign my own players, there is no competition and all the players sign on my team the next cycle, I then have several days for that 1 day that I have time to start assigning and promoting players through the minor league system, something that is hard to do until you sign a bunch of minor league free agents. I unlike you don't have all day every day for computer access..

During free agent negotiation period you don't know who is bidding for what players, and the players never sign on the first cycle you offer them a contract, and they generally space out assignment.. If you wait until after the free agent negotiation period there might be zero available position players.

The old method was simpler, faster, and gave me more available days to do all my assignment and promotions.  From my perspective all the new method does is shuffle who gets the career minor leaguers, it's a pointless change that does not make the game better.

How will there be zero available position players?  All 6 year FA will be available.

You make one offer.   They accept or they don't.   After FA and during ST, you sign players who are left.    It's not like you want to invite 6 year FA to ST.   That gives you 7 days to figure it out.   I know you may not have access all day but do you think you have access for 10 minutes a week?

Posted by MikeT23 on 11/12/2010 8:20:00 PM (view original):
How will there be zero available position players?  All 6 year FA will be available.

You make one offer.   They accept or they don't.   After FA and during ST, you sign players who are left.    It's not like you want to invite 6 year FA to ST.   That gives you 7 days to figure it out.   I know you may not have access all day but do you think you have access for 10 minutes a week?

You are wrong. During the free agency period that occurs early in the season players don't make decisions on the first cycle that you make the offer. If you wait until after the free agent negotiation period (when players will accept on the first cycle you offer them) it's possible all the minor league free agents will be signed by other teams, which I have seen happen multiple times.

Currently.

Simpler-all players sign on the first cycle.

Faster-they all do it one cycle before the free agent negotiation period even begins.

More time to assign and promote players-It happens before free agent negotiation period.

I don't see how you can argue that, but you do it anyway.

When I see a pointless and dumb change to the game I don't mind speaking up. Whats the point of shuffling career minor leaguers from 1 team to another? Does it add anything to the game?

I'm certain I have never signed a 6 yr minor leaguer in 37 or so HBD seasons. 

Right now, at the beginning of each season, annoyingly I move the bulk of my minor league players up a level until I reach 25 players at all levels, except RL (which is 0).   How is this change going to change what I already do now?  Am I missing something?

I like it.

Posted by plague on 11/12/2010 8:34:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 11/12/2010 8:20:00 PM (view original):
How will there be zero available position players?  All 6 year FA will be available.

You make one offer.   They accept or they don't.   After FA and during ST, you sign players who are left.    It's not like you want to invite 6 year FA to ST.   That gives you 7 days to figure it out.   I know you may not have access all day but do you think you have access for 10 minutes a week?

You are wrong. During the free agency period that occurs early in the season players don't make decisions on the first cycle that you make the offer. If you wait until after the free agent negotiation period (when players will accept on the first cycle you offer them) it's possible all the minor league free agents will be signed by other teams, which I have seen happen multiple times.

Currently.

Simpler-all players sign on the first cycle.

Faster-they all do it one cycle before the free agent negotiation period even begins.

More time to assign and promote players-It happens before free agent negotiation period.

I don't see how you can argue that, but you do it anyway.

I'll repeat this because you seem to misunderstand.

You make one offer.   They accept or they don't.   After FA and during ST, you sign players who are left. 

Now, I'll break it down.
You make one offer.     Pretty self-explanatory.
They accept or they don't.   Also pretty self-explanatory.
After FA and during ST, you sign players who are left.    In other words, you check in after FA is over and adjust.

At the end of the day, you have 7 days, let's call it "Spring Training", to fill out your minors.  No muss, no fuss.

Posted by shobob on 11/12/2010 8:38:00 PM (view original):
I like it.

Can you please explain why?  I'm not trying to be smart, I just really don't get what value it adds.

plague is making the argument for those that only sign their own 6 year FAs.

aka. the lazy.

Posted by asher413 on 11/12/2010 9:19:00 PM (view original):

Posted by shobob on 11/12/2010 8:38:00 PM (view original):
I like it.

Can you please explain why?  I'm not trying to be smart, I just really don't get what value it adds.

Too many people are complaining about something that adds realism to the game.  I'm just playing devil's advocate.

I would argue that it is more realistic right now.  A minor leaguer who is bad enough to know that he won't get a ML contract has no interest in switching minor league teams - he just wants to play and will likely stay with the same franchise if he can.  Players aren't going to switch franchises every year if it means no increase in salary.  

I completely agree with csherwood on this one.  It wasn't broken, and didn't need fixing.  I like my minor league teams to be full and to compete.  It is quite easy to have good teams in the minors by signing 15-20 player from every draft and then resigning your minor league free agents.

If I insisted on promoting every player at every level each season, I would have a lot more terrible players at the higher levels of my minors.  I would have less retirements, but my minor league teams would all be much worse as a result.  

The new fix makes filling out your minors more inconvenient.  If every team resigned all of their own 6-year minor league free agents, then almost everyone would have a full roster at each level.  The only people who wouldn't are the guys who only sign a handful of their draftees each season.