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Posted by dedelman on 1/25/2011 9:47:00 PM (view original):
Mike, OK, I didn't know his pitch count; AJ Hinch and I aren't BFFs. But I think that I can exclude a reasonable doubt that he was left in beyond his pitch count, rvrn if I don't know.   Here are Jackson's pitch counts in his starts for Arizona last season, and I think you can draw some inference from these numbers:

94, 98, 109, 106, 55, 88, 103, 121,  114, 115, 102, 123, 109, 115, 107, 149, 88, 100, 110, 95, 103

Looks like his normal pitch count is 120, no?  Furthermore, AJ Hinch only allowed his SP to go into the 9th twice before he was fired, and the other guy was at 93 pitches starting the 9th.  And post-game interviews that I saw rule out the possibility that Hinch just forgot to take him out.

There is no reasonable doubt that Jackson was left in past where he would otherwise have been pulled for pitch count because he was throwing a no-hitter.  Technical doubt, sure, you can have that.  But no reasonable doubt.

Not that you care, but we agree that they shouldn't change the game.  It would be a lot of work for a trivial bit of "realism" that would make gameplay slightly worse.  But it would, in fact, make a handful of boxscores look more realistic if they changed the programming.

I'd argue that his pitch count was more like 100-110.    And I know I'd be especially ****** if my HBD SP threw 39-49 more pitches than I wanted in order to have a shot at a no-hitter.   Nonetheless, we're just speculating on Jackson's pitch count.   Managers may have "loose" counts then let the pitcher say "I feel good" or "I'm losing it" or take the catcher's opinion into account and adjust from there.   If Jackson had a strict pitch count, that might explain why Hinch was fired. 
1/26/2011 8:24 AM
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That's actually a very good point.

Imagine the ******** threads that would start when a guy who was on a 110 pitch limit throws 140 before giving up a hit, then has to be pushed back a day or two from his next start.  Now imagine that happening a couple of times a season in each world.  Now multiply that by 170 or so worlds.

Be careful what you wish for, kids.
1/26/2011 8:41 AM
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Imagine that happening in a playoff race.   You're tied up for the last playoff spot.   You've got your ace set to pitch game 157 and game 162(against the team you're fighting for the last spot).    In game 157, you're winning 13-0, your pitcher has reached his pitch limit in the 7th.  But, lo and behold, he has a no-hitter.  Whether he gets it or not is now irrelevant.  When he throws the extra 20-25 pitches, he can't pitch game 162 at 100% and that could be a must win situation.

Now, of course, you COULD turn off the "no-hitter button" that some have suggested but, if you forget, too bad, so sad, no playoffs for you.
1/26/2011 8:53 AM
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If I saw a "no-hitter button" on my player settings I'd probably become nauseous.  There's so many check marks on that screen already.  What an incredible waste of time.
1/26/2011 9:41 AM
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Posted by burnsy483 on 1/26/2011 9:41:00 AM (view original):
If I saw a "no-hitter button" on my player settings I'd probably become nauseous.  There's so many check marks on that screen already.  What an incredible waste of time.
+1
1/26/2011 10:01 AM
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What the big deal about a no no anyway.  Other than to point out 'My fake guy did it! That makes me more of a man (or woman for you HBD female users).  Really, do you need that kind of validation?  If you are so intent on getting one, use the prior suggestions and set your starters to 1's with 150 pitch limits.  You will in effect increase the possibility of a no no, of course you will have to carry about 8 starters on your squad and rotate them in and out, but hey no problem.  Bottom line is that HBD will never fully duplicate real life, and unless you want to take the time to sit infront of your computer 3 times a day (some people work though), and coach the game live, then just live with it.  I would rather see a more realistic draft with potential sleepers in later rounds and some potential flops in the early rounds, stuff like that.
1/26/2011 10:08 AM
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Yet another realism "problem" that will be solved by LIVE play. Some day.
1/26/2011 3:18 PM
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Live play.    The impending death of many HBD worlds.
1/26/2011 3:22 PM
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There is no way 32 people will ever agree to be online at the same time to play live. It is tough enough for 2 people to line up their schedules.
1/26/2011 3:42 PM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 1/26/2011 3:22:00 PM (view original):
Live play.    The impending death of many HBD worlds.
Agreed.  Live play will lead to rampant 'tardation of the integrity of stats, standings, etc.
1/26/2011 4:35 PM
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Only in worlds that allow it.  That's why I said "many" instead of "all".
1/26/2011 4:43 PM
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Posted by eeyore1959 on 1/26/2011 3:42:00 PM (view original):
There is no way 32 people will ever agree to be online at the same time to play live. It is tough enough for 2 people to line up their schedules.
Spoken like someone who has no LIVE experience at all (since you don't know how it works) - which, coincidentally, is the group in which the most vocal opponents of LIVE play can be found.
1/26/2011 6:32 PM
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I've played LIVE.  Would you like for me to tell you why it's a horrible idea for HBD?

1/26/2011 6:38 PM
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I wish Trey Hillman stuck to his pitch counts instead of letting Gil Meche throw 130+ against the Diamondbacks in a shutout in 2009, which fucked up his shoulder to the point he had to retire this year.
1/26/2011 6:45 PM
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Why do you assume that wasn't part of Hillman's master plan?
1/26/2011 6:50 PM
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