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Posted by usfbully on 3/11/2011 7:19:00 PM (view original):
Posted by rangerup on 3/11/2011 6:33:00 PM (view original):
I have been waiting in the wings for a while now to snag up a badazz catcher on IFA or via trade somewhere.  I search through most rosters in trade just to see what kinds of catchers are out there.  I have seen supreme defensive catchers, and I have seen offensive mashers, and I have even seen one that is close to being both but his durability would only give him about 250 AB's a year.
Is it just rare to see a catcher with DuR90+  offensive numbers 90ish across the board and arm, accuracy and PC over 90?

If using OVR as a judge for simplicity sake, it seems a catcher in the mid 70's is close to as good as it gets.  Too rare to seek out a C with OVR of 90+? If found, would he be untouchable?
How many real life catchers are Gold Glove defensively, and Silver Slugger offensively? Pudge might be the only comparison. Benito did it for 1 year, Gary Carter had a couple years like that, Joe Mauer may turn out to be the player you described.

So yeah, it is probably pretty rare to see the perfect combo.
Johnny Bench.
3/13/2011 6:01 AM
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Mauer would be something like 95/70/90/90/100 with glove/AS/AA/PC of 60/95/95/85. 

At his best, Mauer is better than Pudge ever was.  Pudge is notorious for being a crap pitch caller and taking strikes away from his pitchers. 

Unfortunately, Mauer's health/dur would be like 50/60.

3/13/2011 3:24 PM
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Mauer may be on his way to becoming the best catcher ever, but you are grossly overshooting his offense and defense.  100 eye?  Arm stregnth and accuracy are way too high, and contact and eye as well.  Ivan Rodriguez would be more like 95/90 for AS/AA
3/13/2011 3:27 PM
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Posted by jimmystick on 3/13/2011 3:27:00 PM (view original):
Mauer may be on his way to becoming the best catcher ever, but you are grossly overshooting his offense and defense.  100 eye?  Arm stregnth and accuracy are way too high, and contact and eye as well.  Ivan Rodriguez would be more like 95/90 for AS/AA
"Grossly overshooting his offense?"  You're grossly overshooting your analysis.

Alright, maybe his eye is a 95.  433 career walks.  349 career Ks.  I don't have active player numbers, but there aren't many people in baseball with 25% more walks than Ks AND a 12% walk rate.

As for the rest, what am I grossly exaggerating?  The guy is arguably the best contact hitter in baseball.  He led the AL in BAvg three times in four years.  He's third among active players and 38th ever.  42nd career in OBP. 

So, what do you think I "grossly exaggerated"?  You don't think the guy who is third among active AVG leaders and 5th among OBP leaders has 90+ contact and 90 splits?  

As for defense, maybe Mauer isn't 90+/90+, but he's 80+/80+.  Either way, I think you should probably use the word "grossly" a little less liberally.
3/13/2011 4:40 PM (edited)
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Only average defensively, but the best player in Alexander history

http://www.whatifsports.com/HBD/Pages/Popups/PlayerProfile.aspx?pid=108657
3/13/2011 9:48 PM
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Posted by baldary on 3/13/2011 6:01:00 AM (view original):
Posted by usfbully on 3/11/2011 7:19:00 PM (view original):
Posted by rangerup on 3/11/2011 6:33:00 PM (view original):
I have been waiting in the wings for a while now to snag up a badazz catcher on IFA or via trade somewhere.  I search through most rosters in trade just to see what kinds of catchers are out there.  I have seen supreme defensive catchers, and I have seen offensive mashers, and I have even seen one that is close to being both but his durability would only give him about 250 AB's a year.
Is it just rare to see a catcher with DuR90+  offensive numbers 90ish across the board and arm, accuracy and PC over 90?

If using OVR as a judge for simplicity sake, it seems a catcher in the mid 70's is close to as good as it gets.  Too rare to seek out a C with OVR of 90+? If found, would he be untouchable?
How many real life catchers are Gold Glove defensively, and Silver Slugger offensively? Pudge might be the only comparison. Benito did it for 1 year, Gary Carter had a couple years like that, Joe Mauer may turn out to be the player you described.

So yeah, it is probably pretty rare to see the perfect combo.
Johnny Bench.
The biggest sticking point for what he is looking for is a 90+ in dur. That just doesnt happen these days behind the plate.
3/13/2011 10:07 PM
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Posted by stitch01 on 3/13/2011 9:48:00 PM (view original):
Only average defensively, but the best player in Alexander history

http://www.whatifsports.com/HBD/Pages/Popups/PlayerProfile.aspx?pid=108657
Good lord, that guy raked.
3/13/2011 10:43 PM
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Mauer's AVG/OBP split is around 80, so his eye would be around 80.

He also his lefties (.768 OPS) much worse than righties (.952).

His power is not all that great either.

I'd put him at 90/60/75/95/80.
3/13/2011 11:08 PM
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Yeah, you're right about the vL.

Does eye only affects walks?  Or does it also affect the specific pitch you hit?  If it's the former I would agree, but I've always felt it was the former, which is part of the reason I would give Mauer a higher eye.  The guy almost never swings at balls out of the zone.

As for power, he doesn't have big HR power, but he has a ton of gap power.  Maybe 60 is right, I don't know.
3/13/2011 11:50 PM
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In real life, eye effects pitch recognition.

In this game, click on any player and you'll see Eye roughly equal to difference between OBP and AVG.
3/14/2011 1:53 AM
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3/14/2011 8:14 AM
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Posted by jonas1102 on 3/13/2011 11:08:00 PM (view original):
Mauer's AVG/OBP split is around 80, so his eye would be around 80.

He also his lefties (.768 OPS) much worse than righties (.952).

His power is not all that great either.

I'd put him at 90/60/75/95/80.
This is much closer to where I'd put him, although I would reduce both splits just a notch.  Guys like this in HBD routinely hit .350+.  Mauer may do that occasionally.

I'd put him about 90/60/65/85/80.  His contact keeps his K's down and helps his ratios.  He doesn't walk like Frank Thomas did, so his Eye isn't quite in the 90's range.  I'd still spend a lot for him.

3/14/2011 10:36 AM
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Posted by silentpadna on 3/14/2011 10:36:00 AM (view original):
Posted by jonas1102 on 3/13/2011 11:08:00 PM (view original):
Mauer's AVG/OBP split is around 80, so his eye would be around 80.

He also his lefties (.768 OPS) much worse than righties (.952).

His power is not all that great either.

I'd put him at 90/60/75/95/80.
This is much closer to where I'd put him, although I would reduce both splits just a notch.  Guys like this in HBD routinely hit .350+.  Mauer may do that occasionally.

I'd put him about 90/60/65/85/80.  His contact keeps his K's down and helps his ratios.  He doesn't walk like Frank Thomas did, so his Eye isn't quite in the 90's range.  I'd still spend a lot for him.

Well, I don't really know what to think.

You've got this guy: Jamie Summers -- 96/80/83/92/53, who hit .330 for his career.  That's essentially Mauer. 

Or Al Samuel -- 81/80/90/96/84, who hit .338. 

But, then you can find guys with ratings closer to what you guys are saying who hit .330, too.

I think 65/85 is on the low end for splits, but I can see how that would make sense.  Frankly, after looking through the ratings/stats in HBD, there is a wide range of ratings he could have to produce the stats that he does.

3/14/2011 11:18 AM
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That's because every world plays differently.
3/14/2011 12:04 PM
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Posted by jonas1102 on 3/13/2011 11:08:00 PM (view original):
Mauer's AVG/OBP split is around 80, so his eye would be around 80.

He also his lefties (.768 OPS) much worse than righties (.952).

His power is not all that great either.

I'd put him at 90/60/75/95/80.
I'd probably go 70 for power
3/15/2011 2:47 PM
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