Trading prospects for cash Topic

hoser1
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  I'm just wondering what the general opinion is about this subject?

  I'm in a private league, and one of the managers spent too much money on an international prospect. Now he can't afford to sign his 1st round draft choice. He asked if anybody would be interested in trading for 1 of his overpriced vets, or he would trade a prospect for cash. So I offerd him $4.7 million in exchange for a pretty good pitching prospect, although not as good as the prospect he was going to be able to sign if he gets the cash. I get blasted saying your not allowed to do this in private leagues, and only tards would do it. 

  Aren't we able to decide where and when we want to use our resources? (cash)  Some managers want to spend every dime on free agents, others spend it on development. Why shouldn't a manager be able to buy talent from another team desperate for cash?

  I'm interested in what others have to say?
3/29/2011 9:35 AM
sergei91
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you already have your answer. depends on the league
3/29/2011 9:40 AM
tecwrg
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It's a hot-button topic.

Basically, the main opposition to cash for prospects (or any excessive cash in a trade) is that it creates an unlevel playing field.  If you send $4.7m to the other team, then they're playing with a $189.7m budget this season while everybody else is playing with $185m.  It's not inconveivable for an owner to try to make 3 or 4 deals like that in a season, sell off some of their prospects for cash, and play with an over $200m budget.

Also, it destroys the integrity of the budget process.  If I budget $Xm in my prospect budget, and blow it all on an IFA such that I no longer have enough to sign my first-rounder, then why should I be given a do-over budget-wise by getting an influx of cash from somebody else?  Makes budgeting, and sticking to a budget, less important.
3/29/2011 9:45 AM
hoser1
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  The only rule written was Just Win BabY! So I don't know if the answer is that simple sergei91.

  Is it really better to only allow dumping of overpriced vets in these trades, or shouldn't cash for prospect trades be allowed?
3/29/2011 9:45 AM
hoser1
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  The thing some people don't understand, is that a trade is a deal between 2 teams. Just because the trade doesn't help the other 30 teams in the league, doesn't mean the trade should be vetoed. I can't think of any trade that helps all 32 teams in a league.
3/29/2011 9:52 AM
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And a trade affects the other 30 teams.   Should you be allowed to trade your 3 best players for a training camp pitcher?   I'm hoping you say "no" because, if you don't, you're not going to understand my next sentence.    Trades have be evaluated for the "good of the world".
3/29/2011 10:05 AM
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Posted by tecwrg on 3/29/2011 9:45:00 AM (view original):
It's a hot-button topic.

Basically, the main opposition to cash for prospects (or any excessive cash in a trade) is that it creates an unlevel playing field.  If you send $4.7m to the other team, then they're playing with a $189.7m budget this season while everybody else is playing with $185m.  It's not inconveivable for an owner to try to make 3 or 4 deals like that in a season, sell off some of their prospects for cash, and play with an over $200m budget.

Also, it destroys the integrity of the budget process.  If I budget $Xm in my prospect budget, and blow it all on an IFA such that I no longer have enough to sign my first-rounder, then why should I be given a do-over budget-wise by getting an influx of cash from somebody else?  Makes budgeting, and sticking to a budget, less important.
Just to play devils advocate here, isn't the negative the do screwing up your budget the fact you lose a good prospect?
3/29/2011 10:56 AM
MikeT23
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He's being replaced with two better prospects.   That's a plus.
3/29/2011 10:59 AM
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Posted by hoser1 on 3/29/2011 9:52:00 AM (view original):
  The thing some people don't understand, is that a trade is a deal between 2 teams. Just because the trade doesn't help the other 30 teams in the league, doesn't mean the trade should be vetoed. I can't think of any trade that helps all 32 teams in a league.
Just agree to the trade. Then the other team owners will veto the trade, that way you will understand why they can veto for any or no reason!
3/29/2011 11:00 AM
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I see it as a bad play on the whole budgeting process.  You budget for a reason and if you blow up that reason and cannot sign a draft pick that is something you should live with (and think about before hand).  When I look at IFA's i make sure not to dump my whole load on them, knowing I will need about 5M to populate my RL team.

Since everyone that plays this game is just a civilian 'playing a game' some checks and balances need to be in place within your world, not everyone is running their team like a real GM that can get canned should they not do what is best for their organization.  The only penalty I pay should I choose to destroy my org is I dont re up and go pick another org in another world.  So external checks and balances need to be in place within your world to safeguard owners from doing things that are 'bad' for the world.
3/29/2011 12:10 PM
MikeT23
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What no one has said, and most people prefer to ignore, is that it opens the door for collusion.   Only have $1,999.978 and need to transfer funds in order to sign a 1st round draft pick?   Sell a low level turd for 35k.   "After all, Team A sent Team B 3.5m for a player.    How can you say my 11th rounder last season isn't worth 35k?  He needs a LoA catcher!!"   

Once you allow the buying/selling of players, you open the door for all kinds of under the table, scratch my back deals.

3/29/2011 12:31 PM
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Of course you can do that anyway by swapping a pinch runner in the ML for a pinch runner in the minors.
3/29/2011 12:50 PM
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To me there is one reason, and one reason only, why cash-in-trades is a bad idea.  While in theory, I have absolutely no problem with it and I've argued in favor of every single point I'm sure hoser1 may come up with to defend them, in practice it can serve to destroy worlds.

In fact, Mike and I and several others went round and round for 20+ forum pages 18 or so months ago and there are people that are adamantly for it and adamantly against it.  There are merits to both sides.  Overall, pragmatism won out with me over theory.  So while I won't concede that cash-in-trades are a bad thing in and of themselves, I will concede that in the context of revolving ownership, and choice of owners to abandon worlds at any time and just go to others opens the door for bad situations.  Not the least of which is the other owners investing time and money into their franchises and then getting stuck in a world that no one will join.



 

3/29/2011 12:51 PM
MikeT23
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Posted by jvford on 3/29/2011 12:50:00 PM (view original):
Of course you can do that anyway by swapping a pinch runner in the ML for a pinch runner in the minors.
Not if people pay attention.   Such a thing led to my departure from HJ.   I think you were thrown out of that world.
3/29/2011 2:02 PM
jvford
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Posted by MikeT23 on 3/29/2011 2:02:00 PM (view original):
Posted by jvford on 3/29/2011 12:50:00 PM (view original):
Of course you can do that anyway by swapping a pinch runner in the ML for a pinch runner in the minors.
Not if people pay attention.   Such a thing led to my departure from HJ.   I think you were thrown out of that world.
Uh, no.  IIRC, you left HJ because of a cash deal getting through.

And while you're incorrect about my departure as well, I'm not sure what either have to do with the current topic.

Of course, you could just be trying to start an argument.  In which case, my bad for replying.
3/29/2011 2:23 PM
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