Draft/Comp pick? Topic

willsauve
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I just drafted this guy 1st overall and I met his inital demand of $4M.  He has since raised his demand to 6.5M..  Will I get a COMP pick next season if I do nothing else?

I have $6M available, if I was to offer the 6M which is less than his current demand and he rejects it. Will I still get my COMP pick?
8/3/2011 3:16 PM
willsauve
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Event Season Height Weight OV RA GL AS AA PC DU HE SP PA TP MK
Current - 6-0 194 54 21 19 59 30 6 23 79 58 46 74 63
Projected - 6-2 209 86 24 32 75 47 6 23 80 60 62 73 67
Batting & Pitching Ratings
Event Season CN PW LH RH BE BR BU PP ST CT LH RH VE GB P1 P2 P3 P4 P5
Current - 10 2 11 14 12 13 35 71 51 50 57 60 69 60 61 62 34 45 23
Projected - 14 2 20 25 14 22 56 71 66 88 100 96 84 74 84 80 55 73 38
8/3/2011 3:17 PM
tecwrg
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If you do not make a second offer, you will get a comp pick next season.

If you make a low-ball second offer, I'm not sure what will happen regarding the comp pick.  Seeing that he would almost definitely reject the second low-ball offer, I wouldn't risk trying it.
8/3/2011 3:22 PM
willsauve
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I was thinking the same thing. Maybe I'll test this out with my 3rd rounder.  He's also balking on my initial offer.
8/3/2011 3:43 PM
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Posted by tecwrg on 8/3/2011 3:22:00 PM (view original):
If you do not make a second offer, you will get a comp pick next season.

If you make a low-ball second offer, I'm not sure what will happen regarding the comp pick.  Seeing that he would almost definitely reject the second low-ball offer, I wouldn't risk trying it.
I'd think you are ok to make a second offer. Comp picks are compensation for players not signing, the lower boundary is the initial demand which causes the purple cross/red cross depending on whether he will ever sign at all. Offering again beyond the initial rejected demand shouldn't matter. Offering and having the initial demand rejected is the trigger for the compensation pick. What i wouldn't recommend is offering less than his initial demand.
8/4/2011 4:49 PM
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Can someone confirm that you don't lose out on compensation if your 2nd offer is rejected also?
8/4/2011 11:48 PM
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There's no reason to make the $6MM offer if it doesn't meet his demands.  You have no chance of him accepting it, and you're risking losing the comp pick (which I think you will).
8/5/2011 8:38 AM
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Posted by mhulshult on 8/5/2011 8:38:00 AM (view original):
There's no reason to make the $6MM offer if it doesn't meet his demands.  You have no chance of him accepting it, and you're risking losing the comp pick (which I think you will).
+1

Lowballing a second demand is 100% pointless.
8/5/2011 9:01 AM
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I disagree that it would be pointless.  That's why it is important to know whether or not the 2nd offer removes the trigger. 

I had a first rounder who rejected my first offer, but I really wanted the guy.  His demads where higher than what I had left.  I just offered what I had left and he kept rejecting....over and over again.   Until finally, after the playoffs had started, he signed for my offer.  I must have offered my max 30 or more times.  If he would have rejected all the way until the end, I could tell you the answer to your question.

Ultimately I can't, but the bottom line is that lowballing a second demand is not necessarily pointless.  I think knowing the answer to your question is vital in your situation, but I'm inclined to agree with Crump - that the rejection of initial demand is the trigger.

 

8/5/2011 9:13 AM
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After he rejected my initial offer and upped his demands, I offered BJ Hughes the max I had left (which was less than his demands) and he rejected again;  I did get a compensation pick for him this season (in Mattingly).  I believe I have done this before as well, but this was the only example I could find where I know that is how it went down. 
8/5/2011 9:41 AM
kcden
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And I agree with silentpadna that it is not pointless to offer less than his revised demands; I saved enough prospect money to sign two more ML quality draft picks by offering Pascual Vargas less than his revised demand after he rejected my initial offer, in World For Life
8/5/2011 9:43 AM
willsauve
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I've offered less than players demands in the past and they've accepted.  I'm almost positive that he will accept the 6M offer, I just want to know if I'm already guaranteed the COMP pick if he denies my offer.

I've decided that I will make the 6M offer and see how things go. I sent a ticket to support and their reply was: Thanks for the note. You should review the KB Article #682. If you follow what is outlined there you will receive your Type D pick.

KB #682
If you don't sign your true first round pick, second round pick, or third round pick you will be awarded with a Type D pick the following season. In order to receive the compensation pick you must offer the player his initial demands, he must refuse to sign, and you must never withdraw your offer to the draft pick at any time. If those conditions are met then you will receive a compensation pick in next seasons draft in the same slot that you picked the previous season plus one depending on any other shifting from franchises that were awarded Type D compensation picks before you. This holds true for the first and second round. For third round compensation picks you will receive a pick in a supplemental round at the end of the third round in the following seasons draft. Compensation round picks for Type A and Type B FAs DO NOT qualify for Type D compensation picks.


After reading this I'm lead to believe that I will indeed get my COMP pick.  Now if for some reason I dont I would probably just bail on the team, missing out on a top pick in a world where you cant trade or sign free agents would be a terrible blow.
8/5/2011 3:21 PM
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I offered the contract that the player demanded and his agent said he had to think about it. The next cycle I offered the same contract again. I see where it reads the che 1st contract was with drawn even though I never withdew the offer I just offered it again. Please tell me that I am not in jeporty of losing a comp pick if these two players fail to sign.

On a side note would it help to jump the offer?
9/4/2011 8:34 AM
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I'm pretty sure your comp pick won't be as good as this guy.  If you have $2M surplus in payroll or coaches or anything else.  Transfer it to Prospects, get the extra $1m and sign this guy.
9/5/2011 10:25 PM
kcden
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Posted by rmancil on 9/4/2011 8:34:00 AM (view original):
I offered the contract that the player demanded and his agent said he had to think about it. The next cycle I offered the same contract again. I see where it reads the che 1st contract was with drawn even though I never withdew the offer I just offered it again. Please tell me that I am not in jeporty of losing a comp pick if these two players fail to sign.

On a side note would it help to jump the offer?
I am under the impression that you will NOT get a comp. pick in this situation, based on how the comp. pick scenario is worded in the KB article. 
http://www.whatifsports.com/knowledgebase/KB_Article_Details.aspx?kbid=682
 don't have any evidence, however, that I'm right about this.I
9/6/2011 10:29 AM
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