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I recently acquired this International Free agent. He has made two AA starts since his acquisition and has been incredibly effective. My ML team is 1 game up in its division and he would easily be the staff ace. Should I bring him up now for the stretch run and leave him on the ML roster next season, I should I leave him in AA and perhaps let him remain there at least for the start of next season under the assumption that I will hurt his chances to reach his projections by rushing him to the majors now?

Juan Torres
Atlanta Braves
Double-A Level
Age: 21	B/T: S/L
Height: 5-10	Weight: 181
Born: Villa Mella, DO
Position(s): P (SP4)

Pitches:

4-Seam FB, Forkball, Screwball, Curveball

General & Fielding Ratings
Event	Season	Height	Weight	OV	RA	GL	AS	AA	PC	DU	HE	SP	PA	TP	MK
Current	-	5-10	181	77	54	35	37	58	9	24	90	54	76	39	60
Projected	-	6-0	190	88	54	35	42	71	9	24	100	54	100	31	72
Time of Signing	2	5-10	181	77	54	35	37	58	9	24	90	54	76	39	60
Promotion	2	5-10	181	77	54	35	37	58	9	24	90	54	76	39	60

Batting & Pitching Ratings
Event	Season	CN	PW	LH	RH	BE	BR	BU	PP	ST	CT	LH	RH	VE	GB	P1	P2	P3	P4	P5
Current	-	20	3	20	22	26	21	49	72	74	75	75	82	54	73	82	62	53	54	0
Projected	-	28	13	33	22	26	21	49	86	81	87	97	89	54	73	82	73	57	60	0
Time of Signing	2	20	3	20	22	26	21	49	72	74	75	75	82	54	73	82	62	53	54	0
Promotion	2	20	3	20	22	26	21	49	72	74	75	75	82	54	73	82	62	53	54	0

9/1/2011 9:43 AM

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If he would be your staff ace for a playoff run, I would definitely bring him up... how many games are left in the season?
If there is only about month or so, you could leave him down for the first couple months of next season to get an extra year of contract control (EDIT: sending him down in the offseason) (EDIT #2: Since this is in For Life, this advice doesn't stand and won't help you)
It should not hurt his development to bring him up now... in theory, it should help it, since your ML pitching coach should be better than your AA PC (unless your ML PC has really low patience)

9/1/2011 10:03 AM (edited)

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He'll pitch to his ratings. He has ML quality ratings right now. If he's an upgrade to somebody on your current ML staff, then it's a no-brainer.

The "he might not reach projections in the majors" idea is a myth that needs to be put to rest. As long as he's getting regular work, i.e. the same as he'd be getting in the minors, his development will not be hindered in any way. In fact, one can argue that with better coaches at the ML level, it could be slightly better.

9/1/2011 9:52 AM

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Damnit, I just realized this is the guy you just signed in For Life World and I could be battling you for a Wild Card spot if things fall that way... definitely leave him in the minors :)

9/1/2011 9:59 AM

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They got it right.

9/1/2011 9:59 AM

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This Cycle is when the expansion of ML rosters is due. I have him currently scheduled to start the AA game this cycle. The World is only in its second season so it does not sim till a little after 12pm EST but if I do not bring him up this cycle he cannot be on my post season roster for teh 1st round. Despite the fact that he would be the staff ace my ML team has the 2nd best era in the Majors, offense has been the main issue for this club. But bringing him up would make my strength even stronger. I just do not want to risk his development as a pitcher. I have never brought a player to the majors without them spending at least one season in the Minors, but admittedly I have never had a player this good when he was acquired. I want this guy to be the best pitcher he possibly can be and if bringing him up will harm his potential then I will happily leave him in the minors for a season or two.

9/1/2011 10:02 AM

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I think you may be screwed on the Playoff Roster issue... not sure of that though. I would definitely add him to your 40 Man now, at a minimum (in case you are right and you can still get him on the Playoff Roster) so he can start for you in the playoffs.

9/1/2011 10:05 AM

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He will "progress to his projecteds" the same anywhere he plays as long as he plays. I had a similar issue with an IFA P a couple of seasons ago who was signed with big league quality stuff at an OVR of 77 (projected 88). I gave him two starts in the minors, was in a playoff run I should not have been in, and called him up to the bigs where he went 10-3 with a 2.35 the rest of the year. The next spring training I punted him down to AA, then AAA the season after that and he is now in the bigs to stay with one more core development year to go and OVR 85 on the way to his 88 and a very good pticher who just recently took his team to the WS. His statistics career wise are outstanding so far. I didn't look at his card when i wrote this so guessed at a few things, but you will get the idea.

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9/1/2011 11:09 AM (edited)

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Rangerup,

I'm not sure I understand what you gained by putting Reynoso at AAA for all of last year. You gave up a year of ML innings to get a year of ML innings (which sill come later). Basically all you gained, as I see it, was 4 vL points.

9/1/2011 11:22 AM

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Posted by moethedog on 9/1/2011 11:22:00 AM (view original):
Rangerup,

I'm not sure I understand what you gained by putting Reynoso at AAA for all of last year. You gave up a year of ML innings to get a year of ML innings (which sill come later). Basically all you gained, as I see it, was 4 vL points.

It's called "tanking". S17 was the season where he called him up because he was "in a pennant race that he should not have been in". So he sent him down in S18 so that he could go 53-109, then bring him back up so that he could make it to the WS in S19.

17	rangerup	ML	72-90	.444	4th	No	No
18	rangerup	ML	53-109	.327	4th	No	No
19	rangerup	ML	101-61	.623	1st	No	Yes	yes	yes	no

9/1/2011 11:33 AM

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I thought the roster expansion date was always in the middle of the night (EST anyways)

Definently get him on your 40 man roster right away. If you're past the roster expansion cycle, and he's not on your 40 man roster, he won't be eligible to be on your playoff roster. Since its "for life" you might as well bring him up as soon as he's ready, its not like he can go anywhere else.

9/1/2011 12:21 PM

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Posted by AceCards on 9/1/2011 10:02:00 AM (view original):
This Cycle is when the expansion of ML rosters is due. I have him currently scheduled to start the AA game this cycle. The World is only in its second season so it does not sim till a little after 12pm EST but if I do not bring him up this cycle he cannot be on my post season roster for teh 1st round. Despite the fact that he would be the staff ace my ML team has the 2nd best era in the Majors, offense has been the main issue for this club. But bringing him up would make my strength even stronger. I just do not want to risk his development as a pitcher. I have never brought a player to the majors without them spending at least one season in the Minors, but admittedly I have never had a player this good when he was acquired. I want this guy to be the best pitcher he possibly can be and if bringing him up will harm his potential then I will happily leave him in the minors for a season or two.

If he is on your 40-man at expansion time, even in the minors, he will be eligible to pitch in the postseason. Even if you end up not bringing him up, put him on the 40-man so you have the option to do so. Especially because of the World settings, so you need not worry about things like options (and he's unlikely to ever be demoted anyway).

9/1/2011 12:39 PM

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1) He won't improve very much; he's a 21 year-old international. He's got just a few points per category left in him.
2) Being in the majors won't stunt his ability to get those few points.
3) He's ML-quality now.
4) If he helps you make the playoffs this season, go for it.

9/1/2011 4:16 PM

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Posted by tecwrg2 on 9/1/2011 11:33:00 AM (view original):
Posted by moethedog on 9/1/2011 11:22:00 AM (view original):
Rangerup,

I'm not sure I understand what you gained by putting Reynoso at AAA for all of last year. You gave up a year of ML innings to get a year of ML innings (which sill come later). Basically all you gained, as I see it, was 4 vL points.
It's called "tanking". S17 was the season where he called him up because he was "in a pennant race that he should not have been in". So he sent him down in S18 so that he could go 53-109, then bring him back up so that he could make it to the WS in S19.

17 rangerup ML 72-90 .444 4th No No

18 rangerup ML 53-109 .327 4th No No

19 rangerup ML 101-61 .623 1st No Yes yes yes no

Pretty much the reason yes. I wouldn't call it tanking per se, but I had a very bad team, with many guys in the minors who would have been ready in one more year, so Reynoso played in AAA with them and won the AAA WS. Then he came up with the rest of the prospects the next year. I guess you could call it tanking, but he was a very young pitcher, newly signed and in the first or second year of his pro career so I didn't see any moral issues with holding him in AAA for a year. Could he have played in the bigs? Sure he could have. My guess is there are many levels of tanking and it is often open to interpretation, this didn't hurt the league and wasn't malicious Teccywrg, I would call it being a damn good owner doing a complete rebuild from crap to WS in three seasons.

I also think it saved him one ML season on his card to date, which was the main reason I did it to stretch out the time until arb and payday came, to maximize years with him at a higher OVR.

9/1/2011 4:30 PM (edited)

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Posted by rangerup on 9/1/2011 4:30:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg2 on 9/1/2011 11:33:00 AM (view original):
Posted by moethedog on 9/1/2011 11:22:00 AM (view original):
Rangerup,

I'm not sure I understand what you gained by putting Reynoso at AAA for all of last year. You gave up a year of ML innings to get a year of ML innings (which sill come later). Basically all you gained, as I see it, was 4 vL points.
It's called "tanking". S17 was the season where he called him up because he was "in a pennant race that he should not have been in". So he sent him down in S18 so that he could go 53-109, then bring him back up so that he could make it to the WS in S19.

17 rangerup ML 72-90 .444 4th No No

18 rangerup ML 53-109 .327 4th No No

19 rangerup ML 101-61 .623 1st No Yes yes yes no

Pretty much the reason yes. I wouldn't call it tanking per se, but I had a very bad team, with many guys in the minors who would have been ready in one more year, so Reynoso played in AAA with them and won the AAA WS. Then he came up with the rest of the prospects the next year. I guess you could call it tanking, but he was a very young pitcher, newly signed and in the first or second year of his pro career so I didn't see any moral issues with holding him in AAA for a year. Could he have played in the bigs? Sure he could have. My guess is there are many levels of tanking and it is often open to interpretation, this didn't hurt the league and wasn't malicious Teccywrg, I would call it being a damn good owner doing a complete rebuild from crap to WS in three seasons.

I also think it saved him one ML season on his card to date, which was the main reason I did it to stretch out the time until arb and payday came, to maximize years with him at a higher OVR.

Wow...did you really just openly admit to tanking?

Always a sure-fire way to help your rep.

9/1/2011 4:54 PM

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