And your solution for that is?

dont take over that team when the guy leaves?

Seems like a good plan.   But what happens to the other 31 owners?

Posted by Jtpsops on 9/1/2011 10:34:00 AM (view original):

Posted by sergei91 on 9/1/2011 7:46:00 AM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 8/31/2011 3:35:00 PM (view original):
How about "Submit one offer and highest offer wins"?   No time-consuming countering.  Just make your best offer and find out who wins 24 hours later.

i know some people who have done that. offer max contract and hope that another team with a better record last season doesn't also offer a max contract. you're almost guaranteed to get the guy. whether he's worth the max contract is up to you to figure out/deal with.

Problem is, most times when a guy does this, you can almost guarantee he won't be around to see out the contract.  We just had a guy in one of my world's sign a closer for $110mil because he had the cash to spare.  I'll bet in two-three seasons, some other poor schmuck is gonna be stuck with that contract.

And multiple bids solves this problem?

Not at all, death.  That was a separate comment relating to the issue of guys just throwing out max contracts to the FA they want.

Nothing is going to stop another owner from offering a player more than you think that player is worth.

That has nothing to do with how the FA process works.

The current process is a poor one.

It's mostly based on luck.  Hope you pick the player to go after that few others pick. Because you can't make offers to all the players you like.  That's just silly.

Next to luck, it's based on the ability to be in front of a computer for as many hours as possible for several days.  That allows you to game the existing simple algorithm.  Make & withdraw bids every 4 hours.  Make high bids and withdraw them to stop players from lowering their demands and try to set false values for other owners.  Knowing exactly when players will and will not accept offers.  Once you know how the existing algorithm works, you don't risk a player accepting a high offer made just to game the system.

The coach hiring process, while also flawed, is at least a little better.  We can make multiple offers of different amounts for the same role.  We can make offers that total more than our overall budget. When an offer is accepted, that cancels other offers.

Posted by MikeT23 on 8/31/2011 3:35:00 PM (view original):
How about "Submit one offer and highest offer wins"?   No time-consuming countering.  Just make your best offer and find out who wins 24 hours later.

quoted for tufts

I hope I'm not being grouped in with tufts here, because he's greatly oversimplying my argument and sounding quite foolish at it.

Posted by Jtpsops on 9/1/2011 2:24:00 PM (view original):
I hope I'm not being grouped in with tufts here, because he's greatly oversimplying my argument and sounding quite foolish at it.

Are you saying that you want to be your own fool?

I don't think my arguments have been the least bit foolish.  You may not agree, and that's fine, but I've put a lot more thought behind them than "IT'S NOT RIGHT!!"

 

Posted by sergei91 on 9/1/2011 1:57:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 8/31/2011 3:35:00 PM (view original):
How about "Submit one offer and highest offer wins"?   No time-consuming countering.  Just make your best offer and find out who wins 24 hours later.

quoted for tufts

Not a bad idea.  But 24 hours isn't enough time.

That would require being online one particular day.  If an owner misses that day, they miss out on all good FAs.  There would be a temptation for owners to leave their team if they missed out on that one day and they though it hurt their team for the next 3-12 months.

I realize this probably doesn't apply to those of you who post here here every day, or who check your teams every 2-4 hours, 365 days a year, but most people can't or won't do that.

Religious beliefs.  Work.  Travel.  Vacations.  Time with family.  All reasons a lot of people might miss any one 24-hour period.

And even if was a 24-hour period, it would still work better (IMO) if we could bid more than the total amount of our budget.  Just like we can do for coaches.  If a player accepts an offer, that might force other offers to be withdrawn.  Just like it does for coaches.

Is that idea really so hard for a few of you to understand?  Everything I've proposed is how every other bidding system I'm familiar with works.  It's really not that complicated. It works everywhere else on earth. It would work here.

You can't have everything.    MIssing out on all the good FA because you were bidding on the best one until game 37 of the regular season would be just as damaging.  You'll have to make up your mind on that one.

As far as bidding over your budget, I've already explained how I'd keep every FA tied up until I got the one I wanted.   It's pretty simple.

Posted by Jtpsops on 9/1/2011 2:24:00 PM (view original):
I hope I'm not being grouped in with tufts here, because he's greatly oversimplying my argument and sounding quite foolish at it.

Jtpsops - You posted a wish.  No suggestion how it might be possible.  Just "I want it this way!!!".

What I did way lay out, in a few simple steps, exactly how easy it would be for it to work the way you want.

How exactly is that oversimplifying anything you've written?

How exactly have I disagree with anything you posted?

Is anything I've proposed seriously that hard for some of you to understand? 

I think we all believe none of this will ever happen.  All evidence is WIS doesn't consider HBD and many of their other games profitable enough to invest anything other than minimal support.

But for the sake of the exchange of ideas, I'm waiting for one of you to provide any sort of specific debate on anything I proposed.  I haven't seen that. What I've seen is people who know how to game the system by investing a lot of time defending the current system because they like spending a lot of time at a computer and gaming the system.

What I proposed is the way every other auction that is spread out over several days works.  It's not impossible for the rest of the world to understand it. Why is it so hard for you folks?

>> You can't have everything.    MIssing out on all the good FA because you were bidding on the best one until game 37 of the regular season would be just as damaging.  You'll have to make up your mind on that one. <<

If they fixed it, would be all but impossible for that to happen.  Someone could make an early high bid that would be accepted.  If that didn't happen, bids would have to go up by a minimum amount (just like the rest of world).  That would reach the $110MM max in just a few days. Player would pick among the max bids within 1-2 days.

>> As far as bidding over your budget, I've already explained how I'd keep every FA tied up until I got the one I wanted.   It's pretty simple. <<

No, you didn't.  If they fixed the process, you'd run the risk of any of your high offers being accepted in the next 4 hours. That would prevent you from doing what you proposed.

Thanks for trying to find a hole in my proposal.  There might be one, but nobody here has pointed one out, yet.

The whole proposal is a hole! Shut it!