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soursurfer
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The fact that I called him up for a half a year only to put him back in AAA the following year is tanking and several rational owners have said it is.

Fixed.

Actually, it would not be tanking if you were, as Mike said, simultaneously competitive at the ML level. But you weren't, and tanked your way down to 53 wins. I mean, if you had won 72 games, there wouldn't be much discussion here. But you didn't, and tanked your way down to the first overall draft pick the following year.
9/6/2011 8:37 PM
tecwrg
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Other players who spent all of S18 (the 53-109 season) in AAA before getting called up to the bigs in S19 (101-61 and a WS appearance):

(S19 ML stats shown):

1B Carlos Soriano - (.277 AVG, 34 HR, 100 RBI)
CF Bret Skipworth - (.306 AVG, .941 OPS, 21 HR, 85 RBI)
SP Rock Painter - (13-8, 2.93 ERA, 1.13 WHIP)
SP Jose Mujica - (17-7, 3.19 ERA, 1.20 WHIP)
CL Javy Carrasco - (49 saves, 0.92 ERA, 0.67 WHIP)
SU Carl Singleton - (49 appearances, 94 IP, 2.19 ERA, 1.06 WHIP)

and of course the guy who started it all:

SP Harry Reynoso - (18-2, 2.24 ERA, 1.03 WHIP)

9/6/2011 8:53 PM
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How did I tank my way down to 53 wins by keeping one or two guys at the AAA level lol.  

Yes if there was a min win requirement I would have had to make moves.  And that's a damn good team up above.  It was the first ML experience for all but two guys so they were all still growing up in the minors.  As a good owner should, I brought them up at just the right moment.

blah blah
9/6/2011 9:13 PM
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IT'S TIME TO TANKERUP!!!
9/6/2011 9:14 PM
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blah?
9/6/2011 9:16 PM
tecwrg
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Posted by rangerup on 9/6/2011 9:15:00 PM (view original):
How did I tank my way down to 53 wins by keeping one or two guys at the AAA level lol.  

Yes if there was a min win requirement I would have had to make moves.  And that's a damn good team up above.  It was the first ML experience for all but two guys so they were all still growing up in the minors.  As a good owner should, I brought them up at just the right moment.

blah blah
"How did I tank my way down to 53 wins by keeping one or two guys at the AAA level lol"

Well, let's see.  The guys you didn't bring up could have replaced some of the guys you did play in the 53 win season.  Such as:

SP Mike Richardson - (8-18, 5.62 ERA, 1.59 WHIP)
SP Derek Grimsley - (3-15, 6.57 ERA, 1.67 ERA) - love the 51/42 splits and the 41 control!
SP Marc Carasone - (12 starts, 1-6, 5.43 ERA, 1.79 WHIP) - even better, with 39/53 splits and 43 control
9/6/2011 9:28 PM
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I'm new to HBD, so if you don't mind my asking, what exactly is wrong with tanking, and how specifically does it hurt the world?
9/6/2011 11:04 PM
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It was the first ML experience for all but two guys so they were all still growing up in the minors.  As a good owner should, I brought them up at just the right moment.

That's ridiculous. Only two of those players (Skipworth and Reynoso) gained more than two points of OVR value between seasons 18 and 19, so they were essentially the same players in the majors as they were during that wasted season in the minors.
9/6/2011 11:09 PM
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Posted by caesari on 9/6/2011 11:04:00 PM (view original):
I'm new to HBD, so if you don't mind my asking, what exactly is wrong with tanking, and how specifically does it hurt the world?
It can alter the competitive balance of a world both in the short- and long-term. If an owner is actively or passively attempting to lose games, it can change division/playoff races. And if he loads up on high draft picks and high-bonus international FAs while running a super-low payroll, he can end up with a disproportionate number of cost-controlled studs. And while he's doing this, other teams can load up on high-value ML players because the tanking team is not bidding on them or trading them away for still more prospects.

In short, tanking is how you end up with a competitively imbalanced world full of 100-win teams or 100-loss teams. Those worlds tend to lose owners at a high rate, which only makes the problem worse.
9/6/2011 11:15 PM
rangerup
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Tanking is a wussy way to be caesari.  I wouldn't advise it as it eventually takes the fun out of trying to run an organization.  Purposefully breaking world rules is pretty bunk.  It is a very sore subject as you can see.  Some owners blatantly tank and are scum.  And then you have owners who know what they are doing just a little bit more than your average message board trolls and when they realize how it should be done to maximize your organization and build a better team they get so jealous they will call that tanking too.  Kind of like infants and toddlers who cry 'not fair!' when they are fooled by smarter, more grown up kids.  They don't really know what they are talking about, but in their confusion it's the only thing they can say.

Don't tank.
9/7/2011 10:27 AM
MikeT23
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Posted by rangerup on 9/7/2011 10:27:00 AM (view original):
Tanking is a wussy way to be caesari.  I wouldn't advise it as it eventually takes the fun out of trying to run an organization.  Purposefully breaking world rules is pretty bunk.  It is a very sore subject as you can see.  Some owners blatantly tank and are scum.  And then you have owners who know what they are doing just a little bit more than your average message board trolls and when they realize how it should be done to maximize your organization and build a better team they get so jealous they will call that tanking too.  Kind of like infants and toddlers who cry 'not fair!' when they are fooled by smarter, more grown up kids.  They don't really know what they are talking about, but in their confusion it's the only thing they can say.

Don't tank.
You're funny.  In a stupid kind of way.
9/7/2011 10:37 AM
tecwrg
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You're a real treat, you know that?

Please, keep posting!  This is quality entertainment!
9/7/2011 10:39 AM
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My threshold for what "tanking" is, is pretty high... rangerup has shown here that he clears that threshold by roughly a mile and a half.
9/7/2011 10:42 AM
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Basically what you're saying is, because there was no actual minimum wins requirement in this world, you decided not to give any kind of damn towards your ML record, watching as the losses rolled in 109 times and doing nothing to try to be more competitive at the ML level, despite having a litany of superior options at your disposal.

9/7/2011 10:49 AM
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I think it is the opinion of nearly everybody here that what Rangerup did is absolutely tanking... how he can call it anything else is beyond me.  Yes, Rangerup if you are in a world that has no problem with tanking then I guess what you did was acceptable, but I get the idea that you arent in such a world.  And to call everybody here stupid because we dont agree with your blatant tanking is kinda childish.  Your blah blah blahing is another dead giveaway to your childishness.

And like kcden, I have a pretty high threshold for tanking.  There are certain instances when "light tanking" could be deemed acceptable.  Say for instance you have taken over a complete train wreck of a franchise, then in my opinion light tanking should be permissable for a season or two.
9/7/2011 11:08 AM
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