Posted by travisg on 9/7/2011 12:29:00 PM (view original):

Every better available option was still in AAA because there were continuing their progression so that they would reap more rewards at a cheaper salary at the ML level for longer.  It is how to play the game smartly and maximize your returns.  Not tanking.  I would not eat salary cap money by releasing or moving players under contract at the ML level just to get a better product on the field, a better product that was still getting better.

What you're failing to understand (presumably because you haven't played this game for all that long) is that players do progress after they're promoted to the majors. And some of them begin to regress after age 27, so they'll end up (on balance) no better than they were while toiling away in AAA at age 25 or 26. You're also overlooking the reality that players don't typically achieve their peak projections at the same time. For example, a player may hit his projected splits after his power begins to wane, and his glove and arm accuracy might peak after his range and arm strength have diminished.

So you should probably just play the best players at the ML level and see what happens if you make it to the playoffs. You can save a year of service time by holding players back for 25 games, which pretty much everyone agrees is good strategy.

I understand all that, and it was covered several times throughout the progression of this thread.

Posted by rangerup on 9/7/2011 12:39:00 PM (view original):

Posted by travisg on 9/7/2011 12:29:00 PM (view original):

Every better available option was still in AAA because there were continuing their progression so that they would reap more rewards at a cheaper salary at the ML level for longer.  It is how to play the game smartly and maximize your returns.  Not tanking.  I would not eat salary cap money by releasing or moving players under contract at the ML level just to get a better product on the field, a better product that was still getting better.

What you're failing to understand (presumably because you haven't played this game for all that long) is that players do progress after they're promoted to the majors. And some of them begin to regress after age 27, so they'll end up (on balance) no better than they were while toiling away in AAA at age 25 or 26. You're also overlooking the reality that players don't typically achieve their peak projections at the same time. For example, a player may hit his projected splits after his power begins to wane, and his glove and arm accuracy might peak after his range and arm strength have diminished.

So you should probably just play the best players at the ML level and see what happens if you make it to the playoffs. You can save a year of service time by holding players back for 25 games, which pretty much everyone agrees is good strategy.

I understand all that, and it was covered several times throughout the progression of this thread.

So, with that said, my understanding would be that you left your star players in AAA so that they wouldn't cause you to win more games at the ML level, thus securing you the #1 pick in the draft the following season.
Is that about right?

Uh oh.  Someone's asking for an "azz whooping".

Posted by tecwrg on 9/7/2011 12:29:00 PM (view original):
Here's my favorite post of his from that thread:

http://www.whatifsports.com/forums/Posts.aspx?ForumID=58&TopicID=437277&ThreadID=9421762#l_9421762

Don't post that thread Tecywrg, someone may actually go back and read it and see how big of an azz you are!  Almost every post you put up on this forum is a know it all kind of bluster.  Anyone can see that.  And yes, I don't like you.  You remind me of some sniveler who acts much bigger than you actually are once the internet is taken away from you and people see you for what you are.  To bash myself, I sometimes get carried away with my dislike for you and hence my threatening to beat you up.  Stupid on my part, as that only fuels further 'protected by the internet' indignity from you.  Makes you stronger here.  In reality I would just try to get away from you if we met and you began your bluster, and failing that I would knock you silly.  But mainly just try to get away from you.

Posted by kcden on 9/7/2011 12:41:00 PM (view original):

Posted by rangerup on 9/7/2011 12:39:00 PM (view original):

Posted by travisg on 9/7/2011 12:29:00 PM (view original):

Every better available option was still in AAA because there were continuing their progression so that they would reap more rewards at a cheaper salary at the ML level for longer.  It is how to play the game smartly and maximize your returns.  Not tanking.  I would not eat salary cap money by releasing or moving players under contract at the ML level just to get a better product on the field, a better product that was still getting better.

What you're failing to understand (presumably because you haven't played this game for all that long) is that players do progress after they're promoted to the majors. And some of them begin to regress after age 27, so they'll end up (on balance) no better than they were while toiling away in AAA at age 25 or 26. You're also overlooking the reality that players don't typically achieve their peak projections at the same time. For example, a player may hit his projected splits after his power begins to wane, and his glove and arm accuracy might peak after his range and arm strength have diminished.

So you should probably just play the best players at the ML level and see what happens if you make it to the playoffs. You can save a year of service time by holding players back for 25 games, which pretty much everyone agrees is good strategy.

I understand all that, and it was covered several times throughout the progression of this thread.

So, with that said, my understanding would be that you left your star players in AAA so that they wouldn't cause you to win more games at the ML level, thus securing you the #1 pick in the draft the following season.
Is that about right?

No, that isn't right.  I'm not going to explain it all over again, read the thread.

I read the thread and that is a pretty succinct description.

all you guys bashing rangerup is bullshirt. he already explained why he did what he did.

Posted by sergei91 on 9/7/2011 1:03:00 PM (view original):
all you guys bashing rangerup is bullshirt. he already explained why he did what he did.

http://www.bull-shirts.com/  ?

To make it simple without doing all the research (I'm sure Tec will do it, he has lots of spare time apparently).

If the collective sum of all players on AAA was at, say for example, an OVR of 73 in season 18 and I kept them there so they would hit the big leagues in season 19 at a collective OVR of 75 (their season 18 progression), then starting all of their clocks a year later at a higher ability behooves me to do so. Most of them were done progressing after season 18, so keeping them an additional year in AAA would have made little difference.  But I chose to keep them there in season 18 so they could collectively get better, which they did, and they did so without chewing up a year ML service time.  Whether or not they were better than the current ML players is irrelevant.  And doing this was not tanking.

With this last post, I am signing off on this topic.  Ya'll can have the last word on this, it bores me.  I'm not Trollish enough I guess.

rangerup, 9/1/2011, 4:30pm: "I guess you could call it tanking".

http://www.whatifsports.com/forums/Posts.aspx?ForumID=58&TopicID=443859&ThreadID=9592071#l_9592071

Posted by rangerup on 9/7/2011 1:17:00 PM (view original):
To make it simple without doing all the research (I'm sure Tec will do it, he has lots of spare time apparently).

If the collective sum of all players on AAA was at, say for example, an OVR of 73 in season 18 and I kept them there so they would hit the big leagues in season 19 at a collective OVR of 75 (their season 18 progression), then starting all of their clocks a year later at a higher ability behooves me to do so. Most of them were done progressing after season 18, so keeping them an additional year in AAA would have made little difference.  But I chose to keep them there in season 18 so they could collectively get better, which they did, and they did so without chewing up a year ML service time.  Whether or not they were better than the current ML players is irrelevant.  And doing this was not tanking.

With this last post, I am signing off on this topic.  Ya'll can have the last word on this, it bores me.  I'm not Trollish enough I guess.

Bring them up at age 25 in Season 18 - get approx 9 quality big league seasons out of them
Bring them up at age 26 in Season 19 - get 8 seasons.

You may not be a tanker, you may just be a dumbass.

Why didn't you call up those who were better than your ML options after 20 minor league days in Season 18? We're not saying you had to call all of them up, but a couple after you realized you had a 100 loss team on your hands would have been an act of good faith and not cost you S18 as a full year of service. I'm willing to guess you called them up at the start of S19, so you weren't saving any service time vs. calling them p after 20 minor league days.

Posted by csherwood on 9/7/2011 1:23:00 PM (view original):

Posted by rangerup on 9/7/2011 1:17:00 PM (view original):
To make it simple without doing all the research (I'm sure Tec will do it, he has lots of spare time apparently).

If the collective sum of all players on AAA was at, say for example, an OVR of 73 in season 18 and I kept them there so they would hit the big leagues in season 19 at a collective OVR of 75 (their season 18 progression), then starting all of their clocks a year later at a higher ability behooves me to do so. Most of them were done progressing after season 18, so keeping them an additional year in AAA would have made little difference.  But I chose to keep them there in season 18 so they could collectively get better, which they did, and they did so without chewing up a year ML service time.  Whether or not they were better than the current ML players is irrelevant.  And doing this was not tanking.

With this last post, I am signing off on this topic.  Ya'll can have the last word on this, it bores me.  I'm not Trollish enough I guess.

Bring them up at age 25 in Season 18 - get approx 9 quality big league seasons out of them
Bring them up at age 26 in Season 19 - get 8 seasons.

You may not be a tanker, you may just be a dumbass.

That's what I've been trying to say!

Posted by soursurfer on 9/7/2011 1:26:00 PM (view original):
Why didn't you call up those who were better than your ML options after 20 minor league days in Season 18? We're not saying you had to call all of them up, but a couple after you realized you had a 100 loss team on your hands would have been an act of good faith and not cost you S18 as a full year of service. I'm willing to guess you called them up at the start of S19, so you weren't saving any service time vs. calling them p after 20 minor league days.

good point, if he called them up at the start of the season he most likely is a tanker. Or a HUGE dumbass.