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Posted by soursurfer on 9/7/2011 1:26:00 PM (view original):
Why didn't you call up those who were better than your ML options after 20 minor league days in Season 18? We're not saying you had to call all of them up, but a couple after you realized you had a 100 loss team on your hands would have been an act of good faith and not cost you S18 as a full year of service. I'm willing to guess you called them up at the start of S19, so you weren't saving any service time vs. calling them p after 20 minor league days.
It's also smart to stagger call-ups so all your best players aren't hitting arbitration in the same season. Something you'd realize after playing more than four seasons with a team.
9/7/2011 1:28 PM
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I find it completely idiotic by anyone to not bring a guy up today because of what you may have to pay him in 4 years when he is ready for a long term deal.  I understand the 20 day thing, but beyond that - if a player makes me better now, he is on my big league roster now, regardless of age, projections, overall rating, salary, hometown, or whether or not he is a true knuckleballer.
9/7/2011 1:34 PM
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Posted by csherwood on 9/7/2011 1:28:00 PM (view original):
Posted by soursurfer on 9/7/2011 1:26:00 PM (view original):
Why didn't you call up those who were better than your ML options after 20 minor league days in Season 18? We're not saying you had to call all of them up, but a couple after you realized you had a 100 loss team on your hands would have been an act of good faith and not cost you S18 as a full year of service. I'm willing to guess you called them up at the start of S19, so you weren't saving any service time vs. calling them p after 20 minor league days.
good point, if he called them up at the start of the season he most likely is a tanker. Or a HUGE dumbass. 
Why not both?
9/7/2011 1:35 PM
csherwood
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you think he is capable of multitasking like that?
9/7/2011 1:36 PM
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He would probably need a nap in between.
9/7/2011 1:40 PM
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Posted by travisg on 9/7/2011 1:26:00 PM (view original):
Posted by csherwood on 9/7/2011 1:23:00 PM (view original):
Posted by rangerup on 9/7/2011 1:17:00 PM (view original):
To make it simple without doing all the research (I'm sure Tec will do it, he has lots of spare time apparently).

If the collective sum of all players on AAA was at, say for example, an OVR of 73 in season 18 and I kept them there so they would hit the big leagues in season 19 at a collective OVR of 75 (their season 18 progression), then starting all of their clocks a year later at a higher ability behooves me to do so. Most of them were done progressing after season 18, so keeping them an additional year in AAA would have made little difference.  But I chose to keep them there in season 18 so they could collectively get better, which they did, and they did so without chewing up a year ML service time.  Whether or not they were better than the current ML players is irrelevant.  And doing this was not tanking.

With this last post, I am signing off on this topic.  Ya'll can have the last word on this, it bores me.  I'm not Trollish enough I guess.
Bring them up at age 25 in Season 18 - get approx 9 quality big league seasons out of them
Bring them up at age 26 in Season 19 - get 8 seasons.

You may not be a tanker, you may just be a dumbass.
That's what I've been trying to say!
This may be a good point and may prove to be a nuisance a few years out if I lose a year on the back end of their ratings or suffer huge arb years all at once.  We will see.  But this is a different point and still doesn't mean I tanked by approaching it the way I did.

I only posted again because a good, rational point was brought up and I wanted to recognize it.  I didn't tank and am not going to bother acknowledging idiot posts.
9/7/2011 1:50 PM
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Posted by rangerup on 9/7/2011 1:17:00 PM (view original):
To make it simple without doing all the research (I'm sure Tec will do it, he has lots of spare time apparently).

If the collective sum of all players on AAA was at, say for example, an OVR of 73 in season 18 and I kept them there so they would hit the big leagues in season 19 at a collective OVR of 75 (their season 18 progression), then starting all of their clocks a year later at a higher ability behooves me to do so. Most of them were done progressing after season 18, so keeping them an additional year in AAA would have made little difference.  But I chose to keep them there in season 18 so they could collectively get better, which they did, and they did so without chewing up a year ML service time.  Whether or not they were better than the current ML players is irrelevant.  And doing this was not tanking.

With this last post, I am signing off on this topic.  Ya'll can have the last word on this, it bores me.  I'm not Trollish enough I guess.
Liar.
9/7/2011 1:54 PM
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Your decision was to go with a crappy team in Season 18 and a 75 OVR team in Season 19.
If you had called them up:
A 73 OVR team in Season 18, and a 75 OVR team in Season 19.

I have yet to hear a logical reason for this other than "hey I also get the #1 draft pick for S19"!

So once again, dumbass or tanker.
9/7/2011 1:55 PM
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Posted by csherwood on 9/7/2011 1:55:00 PM (view original):
Your decision was to go with a crappy team in Season 18 and a 75 OVR team in Season 19.
If you had called them up:
A 73 OVR team in Season 18, and a 75 OVR team in Season 19.

I have yet to hear a logical reason for this other than "hey I also get the #1 draft pick for S19"!

So once again, dumbass or tanker.
rangerup, 4/1/2011, 4:49pm: "The fact is, this game takes about ONE full season coupled with an hour of browsing the forum to know pretty much everything you will ever need to know about it."

rangerup, 9/2/2011, 8:43pm: "Now I know it isn't luck, I just understand the game better than most of you."

Who are we to question him?

Oh wait, we can't forget:

rangerup, 9/1/2011, 4:30pm: "I guess you could call it tanking"
9/7/2011 2:09 PM
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I don't post on the forums much, but I have a hard time believing Ranger is as mentally inept as his posts would lead you to believe. I think Mike23 is right, at this point he is just playing the part.

And clearly what he did is the very definition of tanking. There really isn't anything else to call it.

9/7/2011 2:24 PM
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Wow.  I wonder how I missed this thread all this time. 

Honest competition.  It's what drives most people to play this game.  Building a team from drafting well and signing IFA's in and of itself is not a bad strategy.  But when your AAA team would "whip" half the MLB teams out there and your ML team is on the way to 100 losses, YOU ARE A TANKER.  In your own example, it's painfully obvious that bringing up those guys one season earlier might have possibly put you in the playoffs, without losing any development points.  If you have a playoff caliber team and refuse to field it, YOU ARE A TANKER.  When you give up wins at the ML level, other teams get those wins.  If your team could have beaten a 110 win team in the playoffs, and you refuse to fight, YOU ARE A TANKER.  Furthermore, if your potential big league team has a better chance of beating the current 110 win juggernaut than the team you might be chasing for division or WC slot and you hold your studs down, you are CHEATING the other owners by removing a challenge from that team.

If HBD had a consequence for this type of nonsense, like hurting your next season's budget, you wouldn't do this.  By doing it this way, you are gaming the system.  That's why most of the veterans here would never want to be in a world with you.
9/7/2011 3:03 PM
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Preach on padna....

PS- Its amazing how far off topic this thread has gone... lol
9/7/2011 3:12 PM
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I really think that every world out there has a MWR.  It should be fairly easy unless the majority of owners want to make it tougher.  And this MWR should have a 4 season layout, not just 1 or 2.  This way if your a Rangerup your not going to do what he did.
9/7/2011 3:12 PM
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*should have
9/7/2011 3:12 PM
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Posted by greeny9 on 9/7/2011 3:12:00 PM (view original):
I really think that every world out there has a MWR.  It should be fairly easy unless the majority of owners want to make it tougher.  And this MWR should have a 4 season layout, not just 1 or 2.  This way if your a Rangerup your not going to do what he did.
you're
9/7/2011 3:24 PM
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