How bad is this trade? Topic

willsauve
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24yr old
L/L CF (5 pro years, 0 ML years) $343,000
Current - 6-1 184 70 84 78 51 49 0 87 88 90 51 0 66
Projected - 6-1 186 79 94 86 56 49 12 100 88 100 51 0 68
Spring Training 1 6-1 182 62 83 70 50 44 0 74 85 90 40 0 59
Spring Training 2 6-1 183 67 85 73 51 44 0 81 88 91 45 0 62
Spring Training 3 6-1 184 67 81 76 51 47 0 82 84 86 48 0 64
Spring Training 4 6-1 184 69 83 78 51 48 0 85 86 89 50 0 65
Spring Training 5 6-1 184 70 84 78 51 49 0 87 88 90 51 0 66
Batting & Pitching Ratings
Event Season CN PW LH RH BE BR BU PP ST CT LH RH VE GB P1 P2 P3 P4 P5
Current - 84 8 68 91 25 56 94 65 21 9 14 10 8 31 20 0 0 0 0
Projected - 84 8 68 100 25 74 100 80 21 10 27 10 8 45 23 0 0 0 0
Spring Training 1 79 8 64 81 24 53 83 63 20 9 14 10 8 31 20 0 0 0 0
Spring Training 2 82 8 65 87 24 53 89 63 21 9 14 10 8 31 20 0 0 0 0
Spring Training 3 84 8 66 88 25 49 92 63 20 9 14 10 8 31 20 0 0 0 0
Spring Training 4 84 8 67 90 25 53 93 64 21 9 14 10 8 31 20 0 0 0 0
Spring Training 5 84 8 68 91 25 56 94 65 21 9 14 10 8 31 20 0 0 0 0


FOR

22yr old
S/R 1B (4 pro years, 0 ML years) $53,000

Event Season Height Weight OV RA GL AS AA PC DU HE SP PA TP MK
Current - 5-11 203 65 66 41 47 44 22 81 73 83 77 45 20
Projected - 5-11 210 77 66 54 47 65 30 93 73 94 94 38 20
Spring Training 2 5-9 197 48 57 36 41 38 19 62 70 82 64 45 20
Spring Training 3 5-9 201 56 61 39 44 41 20 71 71 83 71 45 20
Spring Training 4 5-9 203 62 64 40 46 43 22 77 72 83 75 45 20
Spring Training 5 5-11 203 65 66 41 47 44 22 81 73 83 77 45 20
Batting & Pitching Ratings
Event Season CN PW LH RH BE BR BU PP ST CT LH RH VE GB P1 P2 P3 P4 P5
Current - 84 52 64 43 29 67 68 44 11 0 9 10 16 11 34 0 0 0 0
Projected - 86 66 73 44 32 85 68 42 14 3 12 20 16 15 51 0 0 0 0
Spring Training 2 61 43 47 32 23 51 49 42 10 0 9 9 15 11 33 0 0 0 0
Spring Training 3 73 47 54 38 25 57 58 42 11 0 9 9 16 11 33 0 0 0 0
Spring Training 4 80 50 60 41 28 63 64 44 11 0 9 10 16 11 34 0 0 0 0
Spring Training 5 84 52 64 43 29 67 68 44 11 0 9 10 16 11 34 0 0 0 0

9/19/2011 10:50 AM
tecwrg
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The first guy is definitely better than the second guy.

Enough to be veto-worthy?  Not my call, I'm not in that world.

9/19/2011 10:59 AM
orrdc
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its not exactly user friendly to read but not even close to veto worthy IMO
9/19/2011 11:02 AM
wilhitec
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what's your AS budget?  the fact you have "speed" projecting to increase from 90 to 100 on the first guy tells me it's pretty low.  just something to keep in mind...and at 5 years and 24...first guy is pretty much done progressing, 2nd guy may have a little more upside.

I've run 0 AS for years, and because of that, have to be very carful with my "veto" when prospects are involved.
9/19/2011 11:07 AM
travisg
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I don't understand why anyone would give anything of value, which that OF most certainly has, for that replacement-level 1B.
9/19/2011 11:13 AM
willsauve
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I dont think either player is a game breaker. I just dont understand why anyone would key in on that bum 1B  and give away a decent OF with speed.
9/19/2011 11:19 AM
burnsy483
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He could play LF.  But yea, pretty bad.
9/19/2011 11:19 AM
dedelman
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They've both been pros long enough that their current will be close to their peak.

B isn't a major league player.  A is a bench player, could even be a platoon CF although he'd be about the worst .310 hitter you can imagine, with no power, no walks, and a ton of caught stealing.

If  you routinely veto trades that are something for nothing, no matter how mediocre the something is, you should veto this.  Otherwise let it go.

9/19/2011 11:19 AM
shobob
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They both have huge warts.
9/19/2011 11:20 AM
deanod
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the first guy is a pretty good AAA player and the second guy will be decent in high A.  i'd mostly just call the deal a massive waste of time with a boost the minor league team of whoever is acquiring player 1.
9/19/2011 11:39 AM
deanod
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actually misread- the first guy might be semi-useful at the ML level, so it is definitely a weird deal to make
9/19/2011 11:40 AM
s_gammon
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I wouldn't want to play in a world that gets involved in policing trades like that. It's "not much" for a little more with the guy getting "not much" saving a bit of payroll. Surly there are bigger fish to fry.
9/19/2011 11:52 AM
travisg
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Posted by s_gammon on 9/19/2011 11:52:00 AM (view original):
I wouldn't want to play in a world that gets involved in policing trades like that. It's "not much" for a little more with the guy getting "not much" saving a bit of payroll. Surly there are bigger fish to fry.
Not if the owner trading away the OF is a new(ish) owner, regardless of the other guy's experience level. I veto lots of trades (although I'm rarely joined by nine others), so this one would definitely get one from me.
9/19/2011 1:20 PM
deanod
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I don't think it should necessarily be vetoed, but you should probably explain to the n00b getting the short end of the stick why it's an absolutely pointless deal from his perspective before he makes more deals and drives his franchise into the ground.
9/19/2011 2:54 PM
MikeT23
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So the first player has good speed coupled with crappy baserunning?   That's not a good match. 

I'd probably veto because they wasted my time making me look at that crap.   In fact, I'm actively trying to find out what willsauve drives so I can key his car for bring this to my attention.
9/19/2011 2:59 PM
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