Signing a draft pick. Topic

peanutjets
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     My #1 pick (3rd overall) is a beast. He asked for a very reasonable amount, I offered it and now I get a message from his agent saying "He liked your offer but he has scholarships out there and he's undecided. I'll let you know when he decides.". I have plenty of $$$ left. Should I throw more dough at him? 
10/20/2011 12:43 PM
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No.  From what I understand, it does not help you to offer more money unless he asks for it.
10/20/2011 12:46 PM
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Posted by burnsy483 on 10/20/2011 12:46:00 PM (view original):
No.  From what I understand, it does not help you to offer more money unless he asks for it.
+1

You're just bidding against yourself if you offer more money without being asked.
10/20/2011 1:13 PM
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Posted by tecwrg on 10/20/2011 1:13:00 PM (view original):
Posted by burnsy483 on 10/20/2011 12:46:00 PM (view original):
No.  From what I understand, it does not help you to offer more money unless he asks for it.
+1

You're just bidding against yourself if you offer more money without being asked.
+2

He will either reject the offer or ask for more money (or, I suppose, accept, though I have yet to see that happen in situations like yours).  Reserve some prospect money -- maybe 25-30% more than your initial offer -- and wait for a reply.  
10/20/2011 2:08 PM
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Posted by tedwmoore on 10/20/2011 2:08:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 10/20/2011 1:13:00 PM (view original):
Posted by burnsy483 on 10/20/2011 12:46:00 PM (view original):
No.  From what I understand, it does not help you to offer more money unless he asks for it.
+1

You're just bidding against yourself if you offer more money without being asked.
+2

He will either reject the offer or ask for more money (or, I suppose, accept, though I have yet to see that happen in situations like yours).  Reserve some prospect money -- maybe 25-30% more than your initial offer -- and wait for a reply.  
1)  I think the range of possible increases goes up to double the original ask although I've not seen that high; might want to reserve that much if you can.  I've certainly seen +60%.
2)  If he rejects, immediately offer the same amount again, and wait out the process again.  Repeat until he doesn't reject or the world rolls over.
10/20/2011 3:40 PM
peanutjets
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Heres his exact responce:

"Tyreace is happy with the offer, but is still considering playing college football. His scholarship offers are fantastic and he just can't decide. I'll let you know when he chooses."

So I should just wait it out? 

10/20/2011 3:41 PM
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Yes.
10/20/2011 3:46 PM
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Posted by dedelman on 10/20/2011 3:40:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tedwmoore on 10/20/2011 2:08:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 10/20/2011 1:13:00 PM (view original):
Posted by burnsy483 on 10/20/2011 12:46:00 PM (view original):
No.  From what I understand, it does not help you to offer more money unless he asks for it.
+1

You're just bidding against yourself if you offer more money without being asked.
+2

He will either reject the offer or ask for more money (or, I suppose, accept, though I have yet to see that happen in situations like yours).  Reserve some prospect money -- maybe 25-30% more than your initial offer -- and wait for a reply.  
1)  I think the range of possible increases goes up to double the original ask although I've not seen that high; might want to reserve that much if you can.  I've certainly seen +60%.
2)  If he rejects, immediately offer the same amount again, and wait out the process again.  Repeat until he doesn't reject or the world rolls over.
How do you make an offer after they've decided to go to college (or whatever)?

When this has happened to me, the Negotiate link in the Action column of the Amateur Draft Results page disappears.  Leaving no way to make another offer.  At least no way I can find. 

What am I missing?

Thanks.

10/20/2011 9:47 PM
dedelman
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I'm not sure what happened there, but my first pick last season in Cooperstown refused to sign and I was able to re-offer him.  Maybe it's because he was a college pick deciding to return for his senior year... anyhow, he signed on the 3rd go-round.
10/20/2011 10:05 PM
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Posted by tufft on 10/20/2011 9:47:00 PM (view original):
Posted by dedelman on 10/20/2011 3:40:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tedwmoore on 10/20/2011 2:08:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 10/20/2011 1:13:00 PM (view original):
Posted by burnsy483 on 10/20/2011 12:46:00 PM (view original):
No.  From what I understand, it does not help you to offer more money unless he asks for it.
+1

You're just bidding against yourself if you offer more money without being asked.
+2

He will either reject the offer or ask for more money (or, I suppose, accept, though I have yet to see that happen in situations like yours).  Reserve some prospect money -- maybe 25-30% more than your initial offer -- and wait for a reply.  
1)  I think the range of possible increases goes up to double the original ask although I've not seen that high; might want to reserve that much if you can.  I've certainly seen +60%.
2)  If he rejects, immediately offer the same amount again, and wait out the process again.  Repeat until he doesn't reject or the world rolls over.
How do you make an offer after they've decided to go to college (or whatever)?

When this has happened to me, the Negotiate link in the Action column of the Amateur Draft Results page disappears.  Leaving no way to make another offer.  At least no way I can find. 

What am I missing?

Thanks.

You're not missing anything.

Once they've made up their mind that they are not signing and the "negotiate" link goes away, that door is closed for good.
10/20/2011 11:28 PM
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Posted by tecwrg on 10/20/2011 11:28:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tufft on 10/20/2011 9:47:00 PM (view original):
Posted by dedelman on 10/20/2011 3:40:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tedwmoore on 10/20/2011 2:08:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 10/20/2011 1:13:00 PM (view original):
Posted by burnsy483 on 10/20/2011 12:46:00 PM (view original):
No.  From what I understand, it does not help you to offer more money unless he asks for it.
+1

You're just bidding against yourself if you offer more money without being asked.
+2

He will either reject the offer or ask for more money (or, I suppose, accept, though I have yet to see that happen in situations like yours).  Reserve some prospect money -- maybe 25-30% more than your initial offer -- and wait for a reply.  
1)  I think the range of possible increases goes up to double the original ask although I've not seen that high; might want to reserve that much if you can.  I've certainly seen +60%.
2)  If he rejects, immediately offer the same amount again, and wait out the process again.  Repeat until he doesn't reject or the world rolls over.
How do you make an offer after they've decided to go to college (or whatever)?

When this has happened to me, the Negotiate link in the Action column of the Amateur Draft Results page disappears.  Leaving no way to make another offer.  At least no way I can find. 

What am I missing?

Thanks.

You're not missing anything.

Once they've made up their mind that they are not signing and the "negotiate" link goes away, that door is closed for good.
This is not entirely accurate.  Yes, the link goes away and you are unable to make new offers through the draft results page.

BUT, you can still click the link in the correspondence page where you got the message that he wasn't signing.  So don't delete that message, and you can still negotiate.
10/21/2011 10:50 AM
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>> This is not entirely accurate.  Yes, the link goes away and you are unable to make new offers through the draft results page.
BUT, you can still click the link in the correspondence page where you got the message that he wasn't signing.  So don't delete that message, and you can still negotiate. <<

Thanks!   -T
10/21/2011 4:21 PM
peanutjets
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Out of nowhere, I just got this message:

"It looks as if Tyreace has decided to sign. He signed his Herbie Hancock on the dotted line and is waiting on you to tell him where to go. Looking forward to working with you again."

Never offered him an extra penny, he never asked.
10/22/2011 12:10 AM
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Posted by auburnfan on 10/21/2011 10:50:00 AM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 10/20/2011 11:28:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tufft on 10/20/2011 9:47:00 PM (view original):
Posted by dedelman on 10/20/2011 3:40:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tedwmoore on 10/20/2011 2:08:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 10/20/2011 1:13:00 PM (view original):
Posted by burnsy483 on 10/20/2011 12:46:00 PM (view original):
No.  From what I understand, it does not help you to offer more money unless he asks for it.
+1

You're just bidding against yourself if you offer more money without being asked.
+2

He will either reject the offer or ask for more money (or, I suppose, accept, though I have yet to see that happen in situations like yours).  Reserve some prospect money -- maybe 25-30% more than your initial offer -- and wait for a reply.  
1)  I think the range of possible increases goes up to double the original ask although I've not seen that high; might want to reserve that much if you can.  I've certainly seen +60%.
2)  If he rejects, immediately offer the same amount again, and wait out the process again.  Repeat until he doesn't reject or the world rolls over.
How do you make an offer after they've decided to go to college (or whatever)?

When this has happened to me, the Negotiate link in the Action column of the Amateur Draft Results page disappears.  Leaving no way to make another offer.  At least no way I can find. 

What am I missing?

Thanks.

You're not missing anything.

Once they've made up their mind that they are not signing and the "negotiate" link goes away, that door is closed for good.
This is not entirely accurate.  Yes, the link goes away and you are unable to make new offers through the draft results page.

BUT, you can still click the link in the correspondence page where you got the message that he wasn't signing.  So don't delete that message, and you can still negotiate.
That sounds like a bug that WIS should fix..
10/22/2011 1:55 PM
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