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It goes far beyond a five year plan. Are small groups of owners agreeing with each other in advance to abide by certain rules not agreed upon by the league as a whole for the purposes of winning a prop bet in your worlds?

I can see where the roster turnover requirement in particular would create a **** storm in year 5.

4/29/2012 1:47 PM
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Why would anyone care about that? An owner has four seasons throught retirements, non-tenders and trades to reshape their roster to their liking.
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The requirement to get rid of your starting roster affects the trade value of players from these rosters. Owners could accept the lesser of two trade offers (in an HBD sense) because it helps satisfy the prop bet.
4/29/2012 2:19 PM
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Sorry, i still don't get your concern. If I'm a participant, i have 4 seasons to trade any given player. I'm pretty sure between 31 owners over 4 seasons, I'll get a fair deal.

And if 10 other owners don't think it's a fair deal, they veto.
4/29/2012 2:31 PM
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Posted by headpirate on 4/29/2012 2:13:00 PM (view original):
I am relatively new to HBD, but most of the complaints seem to be from those with a personal beef with MikeT and not addressing anything related to game play. Not sure why this could not exist already between a sub group of owners in already existing established worlds. In fact I recall Schmidt recruiting owners by offering incentives if the new owners took down an existing owner, and there were no public complaints from the targeted existing owner.
I'm not sure what you mean by "took down," but it sounds the other owners agreed to it. That's not the same as a small group of owners coming into the league and instituting their own set of rules, not agreed upon by the league as a whole.

Also, this has nothing to do with a personal beef with Mike. Usually his HBD opinions are reasonably insightful. I don't think he's thought this one through.
4/29/2012 2:32 PM
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Posted by dwoolery on 4/29/2012 2:33:00 PM (view original):
Sorry, i still don't get your concern. If I'm a participant, i have 4 seasons to trade any given player. I'm pretty sure between 31 owners over 4 seasons, I'll get a fair deal.

And if 10 other owners don't think it's a fair deal, they veto.
The concern isn't that you won't get a fair deal. You agreed to the rules. It's the other owners in the league that are the concern. The concern is that you're taking a lesser deal from your buddy in order to satisfy the turnover requirement than was offered by another owner who wasn't part of the challenge.
4/29/2012 2:44 PM
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Huh? Why would it be in my interest to help my "buddy" satisfy his requirement when I can satisfy my own requirement and get a better player back?
4/29/2012 2:50 PM
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This is the scenario I see. Original roster players in bold.



Offer A

dwoolery
27 y.o.superstar ss

non-challenge owner
19 y.o. potential superstar ss
26 y.o SP1



Offer B

dwoolery
27 y.o.superstar ss
34 y.o. former superstar 1b, in final year of 5yr/$20m contract, still good but not $20m good

challenge owner
34 y.o. former superstar 1b, in final year of 5yr/$10m contract, not quite as good as above
39 y.o. dh, $8m, included mainly for payroll reasons
26 y.o SP2



From an HBD perspective, Offer A seems better, but for challenge purposes, you may go with Offer B. I guess you could accept A and just release the 1b, but that would leave a hole in you lineup, and again, you'd probably only do this if the non-challenge offer was much, much better, which was the issue I was raising in the first place.
4/29/2012 4:13 PM
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Or . . . or . . . I could let the guy in the final year of his contract play it out, he rolls off my roster, satisfying my requirement AND I get to keep the better player WITHOUT going out of my way to help someone I am trying to beat.
4/29/2012 4:18 PM
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No you couldn't, because he has to be off your roster in the final year of his contract.
4/29/2012 4:35 PM
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Errr, TWC owners can't trade with one another. 

And it doesn't matter if a player is still on a team.   He just can't play in the Big Leagues in S5.   IOW, a TWC owner has 8 seasons to find a fit for any quality player.

Next complaint, please.
4/29/2012 6:10 PM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 4/27/2012 2:16:00 PM (view original):
And, to attempt to avoid any collusive activity, the participants would not be allowed to trade with one another.
Well maybe you should have made that clearer at the beginning of this thread.
4/29/2012 7:11 PM
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Posted by dwoolery on 4/29/2012 7:11:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 4/27/2012 2:16:00 PM (view original):
And, to attempt to avoid any collusive activity, the participants would not be allowed to trade with one another.
Well maybe you should have made that clearer at the beginning of this thread.
LOL
4/29/2012 7:22 PM
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Posted by dwoolery on 4/29/2012 7:11:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 4/27/2012 2:16:00 PM (view original):
And, to attempt to avoid any collusive activity, the participants would not be allowed to trade with one another.
Well maybe you should have made that clearer at the beginning of this thread.
I like to see who's paying attention.

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4/29/2012 7:38 PM
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