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MikeT23
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Disagree all you want but virtually everyone thinks their players is worth more than people are willing to offer.    As an example, Hardball Dynasty – Fantasy Baseball Sim Games - Player Profile: Tony Cairo was listed as "available" in the WC on 6/13.   Pretty good, no?

My reply when told "market value" was the asking price:

MikeT23 Night 6/13/2012 10:49 AM Well, if you don't get what you want, send me an offer for what you think market value is. Dude is a beast but I'm guessing he won't re-sign after S25(and I bet you think the same way) so he's a 200 game rental and a comp pick.

Cairo hasn't been traded.
6/20/2012 2:34 PM
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Well, use smaller words.    If you overvalue your player, you can't trade him.  Or, at best, you're a pain in the *** to negotiate with because you want a lot more than what others see. 
6/20/2012 2:41 PM
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Posted by boogerlips on 6/20/2012 2:14:00 PM (view original):
Nah, whether you overvalue or undervalue or correctly value your guy isn't relevant (not trying to provoke, but not sure how to say irrelevant in a nice way?)to the comment Captain Crickett made. When another owner makes you an offer, the odds that that offer is A) the maximum that owner is willing to trade away and B) representative of the maximum that the other 30 owners would be willing to trade away is very very low. 
In Cricketts case especially, he's got three different owners seeking him out about the same player. I don't even need to see the offers or the player for that matter to tell you he's worth more than whats being offered. So Crickett would be wise to push some of his own offers, or work a few owners at the same time to see what it is they really are willing to give up....or of course just keep him.

You are misunderstanding my comment. If I put that player on the trade block I understand that I would get a lot of better offers for him and his trade value would go up.

  I have been giving newbies the same advice for years. Never accept a trade offer that is sent to you without first putting the player on the trade block and then announcing in the thread that you wish to trade the player and then wait 2 or 3 days for offers.

 

  My real point here is that anything from a fake player on a sim sight to gold coin to an antique car is only worth what someone else is willing to pay for it. In wills case he can only trade that player to 31 people so those 31 people are the ones who will determine what the player is worth. Anything said in here about the value of the player is worthless since none of us can trade him anything for the player.
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I disagree but the point remains nothing we say will change the value of the player and will is asking the wrong people what the player is worth
6/20/2012 3:21 PM
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Open forums are for seeking opinions, stating opinions or just plain blather.

No harm in asking.   170 worlds out there.   Seeing what people think of a player isn't the biggest waste of time in this forum.

6/20/2012 4:29 PM
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Posted by rangerup on 6/19/2012 10:53:00 AM (view original):
Posted by deanod on 6/18/2012 3:15:00 PM (view original):
Posted by rangerup on 6/17/2012 7:40:00 PM (view original):
This guy is a prime example of why OVR doesn't tell the whole story.
lol no he's not
I would differ, I see his ratings equal to many guys with an OVR of 80 or thereabouts.  88 is a bit high for what he would give you.  IME, 85 or higher OVR should give you a franchise type player.  He is a damn good player no doubt but one in which you are best served trying to trade him for two other guys with OVR's of about 77-82 which will make your team better.
well it depends which 77-82's you're getting

OVR is an AIDS rating overall, but the 88 ovr is pretty well reflective of his overall value.  the majority of franchises don't have a player that good, ergo he is a franchise player.
6/20/2012 4:55 PM
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Posted by boogerlips on 6/20/2012 2:13:00 PM (view original):
BTW, I agree with Deanod that the player in question is what I'd normally expect an 88OVR guy to be. I disagree with him and everybody that he's not a SS. Even though he'd be below average there, I think thats his most efficient position. Glove is a waste a 2B, and Arm is a waste at 3B and CF. I think the overall return of playing him at short and finding someone else for third is bigger than the reverse. 
i never said he's not a SS.

gut says that 3B is his optimal position, but based on options to pair him playing him at SS could conceivably work out favorably.  i'd have to crunch numbers to make any definitive statement though.
6/20/2012 4:57 PM
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Git to crunching, stoney.
6/20/2012 4:58 PM
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Posted by crickett13 on 6/20/2012 3:21:00 PM (view original):
I disagree but the point remains nothing we say will change the value of the player and will is asking the wrong people what the player is worth
there's a difference between open market value and intrinsic value.  in HBD, they quite often misalign and you're doing it wrong if you are completely disregarding the latter.
6/20/2012 4:59 PM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 6/20/2012 4:58:00 PM (view original):
Git to crunching, stoney.
eh i'd rather not, i'm sort of burned out from doing any hbd studies for a while.  for now i'm content to just coast in MG, and occasionally tell people that they're wrong about stuff.
6/20/2012 5:00 PM
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YOU TELL 'EM, STONEY!!!
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