Is This Guy a Fraud Set-Up A? Topic

robertbaron
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I need a stud set-up A, but my guy's stats and 2nd pitch scare me. Yet, I am about to commit $16M for three years, by re-signing him, My question: Is this guy a Set-up A stud, or a pretender? He is 29.
DUR-71
Health-77
Stam-33
Control-84
Vs LHB-70
Vs RHB-73
Vel-92
GB/FB-81
1st Pitch-85
2nd Pitch-56

He has never had an ERA under 3.57--but has never pitched more than 50 Innings. My take is he has underperformed, because the dude needs to pitch-and no manager has let him. He reached is ratings peak last season. He has 91 MakeUp, but seems like a chronic under-performer.

Re-signing FA begins in a few hours....and I could use some help. I cannot make an $18M mistake; he wants 3 years x$6M--lastly, he is a type A FA, and under my control. Should I be grateful for the comp picks and let him go, or re-sign the dude?




6/21/2012 12:14 AM
mattster24
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Seems like a ton of money but I'm a newb.
6/21/2012 12:22 AM
rangerup
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I don't know what your free agent class looks like but you should be able to sign a similar player for that amount of money or less.  I would take a chance and let him walk.  Get the comp pick, and maybe look to drop 8M on a better SuA.  Depends on how many SuA types are in the Fa market this season for you.
6/21/2012 12:30 AM
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$16M for three years?  No way.

Let him go, you may well get him as his price drops.

6/21/2012 1:22 AM
Save_Mr_X
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way too much cash for a reliever....my rule is never sign relievers long term for big money....their performance is way too up and down...
6/29/2012 5:31 PM
rangerup
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I used to have that rule, until I learned that you just have to have a shut down pen to win in HBD.  The pen will screw you.
6/29/2012 5:37 PM
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First, I'm not sure that the belief that the "dude needs to pitch" is correct.  I know admin says in the spring training help page that there is not a "rust factor" built into the engine.  I don't belief there are any detriments for using a player less than what his dur/stat ratings would suggest.  Players do not deteriorate due to non-use.  Second, I believe that stamina is a surperfluous rating for two-pitch pitchers; especially for one that has a low 2nd pitch.  I would only want this guy pitching a inning to an inning-plus in each of his outings, and not the two-plus that would be reccommended.  I know that your signing period is over by now, but I agree that although he can be good, he is not worthy of a substantial contract.
6/30/2012 7:28 PM
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He only has 1 good pitch, and I don't think it's good enough to earn him that kind of money. No way.
6/30/2012 11:38 PM
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Posted by robertbaron on 6/21/2012 12:14:00 AM (view original):
I need a stud set-up A, but my guy's stats and 2nd pitch scare me. Yet, I am about to commit $16M for three years, by re-signing him, My question: Is this guy a Set-up A stud, or a pretender? He is 29.
DUR-71
Health-77
Stam-33
Control-84
Vs LHB-70
Vs RHB-73
Vel-92
GB/FB-81
1st Pitch-85
2nd Pitch-56

He has never had an ERA under 3.57--but has never pitched more than 50 Innings. My take is he has underperformed, because the dude needs to pitch-and no manager has let him. He reached is ratings peak last season. He has 91 MakeUp, but seems like a chronic under-performer.

Re-signing FA begins in a few hours....and I could use some help. I cannot make an $18M mistake; he wants 3 years x$6M--lastly, he is a type A FA, and under my control. Should I be grateful for the comp picks and let him go, or re-sign the dude?




He is not a type flight reliever.
7/1/2012 11:42 AM
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I doubt anyone will sign him even once his price drops until the draft picks come.  Not good enough to give up the comp picks.
7/2/2012 8:05 PM
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Posted by dgtrache on 7/2/2012 8:06:00 PM (view original):
I doubt anyone will sign him even once his price drops until the draft picks come.  Not good enough to give up the comp picks.
If you've already signed another A guy, giving up a 2nd or 3rd rounder for this guy is perfectly fine.  Because you'll get his production at a cheaper rate than league average, the player you draft in the 2nd/3rd round most likely wouldn't be as good (you aren't likely to see Type A/B talent that late in the draft), and when his free agent year comes down the road, you will likely get a supplemental pick which is more valuable than the pick you lost because he would be signed as a Type B.
7/3/2012 6:11 PM
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Posted by rangerup on 6/29/2012 5:37:00 PM (view original):
I used to have that rule, until I learned that you just have to have a shut down pen to win in HBD.  The pen will screw you.
Absolutely. And because they are up-and-down, as jose said, you can never have enough. Gotta get the ones programmed to have a bad season out of there ASAP.

But that RP above is pretty mediocre. A second pitch like that makes him a Setup B at best. It's funny, though, when things like this are posted without any mention of ballpark or defense. Both are *essential* to any discussion of pitcher performance.
7/4/2012 10:11 AM
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