I know there are other considerations;  vs lhp/rhp, power etc. but I've been wondering if contact means, the higher a contact number the better chance the player might get a single or is it a better chance they make "contact" and advance a runner.

just wondering. Thinking of toying with my line-up. I've got some slow players with medicore eyes at the plate but I was wondering if I place them strategictly in the line-up that they may get on or advance the runner depending on where the true weight of the "contact" stat applies.

any help/thoughts?

I'm almost certain that overcomplicates the meaning.   Contact is the ability to put bat on ball.   IOW, avoid the strikeout.   Look at the league leaders in whiffs.  Low contact.   The other ratings, including park/defense, determine what happens after bat meets ball.

so given that info, should I experiment with a 92 contact hitter, 18 power. 54vsLHP 48vsRHP and 38 eye at the plate as a number hitter for a 15 or so games. Normally I have him hit in the 7-8 spot. But I curious if he could move my lead off man any.  

Bripat your post seems to assume EYE increases or decreases results after the ball leaves the bat. I was under the impression it strictly relates to drawing walks, POSSIBLY, avoiding a strikeout (fouling off etc, protecting the plate), but Mike says contact does this not Eye.

I don't think it goes beyond that, have the developers ever said a fraction of EYE goes into performance after successfully putting the ball in play?

I'm new here but I think you are on to something where putting a guy with good contact behind a slow hitter might produce productive base movement. Most of the guys I see with 70+ contact but no power tend to have high averages, nearly all singles, and low strikeouts. So, yeah it sounds good to me. Maybe a good #5 or 6 hitter to move over the clean up guys in a new inning. Putting your clean up lead off on 2b, even with 2 outs, might produce some late lineup runs.

I've found that Contact influences OBP, specifically at the high end (75+).  And if it comes combined with speed and BR, that's more of a plus.  It has some impact on SLG but only in that more balls in play leads to more hits and more TB.

Eye has a much more dramatic influence on OBP.  Low eye = low OBP (below .320).  High eye = OBP's in the high .300's.  There are a ton of exceptions but Eye seems to have more of an effect on OBP than any other rating.  There is a slight correlation between Eye and SLG but not enough for me to even consider it in my calculations.  

So yeah, based on numbers I've run, Eye seems to only influence OBP, i.e ability to walk.

This is pretty much a line-up topic so I won't begin a new thread;

Question for any veterans: Do you guys have any lineup formulas you tend to use. It's going to depend on your club and what's available obviously but do you go out and try and get specific players to fill needs to a lineup template you think works best? 

I'm pretty familiar with a basic top 4, but maybe some of you guys could list some of your own ideas below.

1 - base stealer, good eye
2 - good contact, maybe good bunter
3 - a top producer
4- a top producer, typically best power hitter
5 - 2nd best power hitter
6 ??
7 ??
8 ??
9 - NL - pitcher or AL - the amazing dominican republic short stop you have with 40/35/45/50 for hitting =P

Posted by mezirah on 7/4/2012 10:27:00 PM (view original):
This is pretty much a line-up topic so I won't begin a new thread;

Question for any veterans: Do you guys have any lineup formulas you tend to use. It's going to depend on your club and what's available obviously but do you go out and try and get specific players to fill needs to a lineup template you think works best? 

I'm pretty familiar with a basic top 4, but maybe some of you guys could list some of your own ideas below.

1 - base stealer, good eye
2 - good contact, maybe good bunter
3 - a top producer
4- a top producer, typically best power hitter
5 - 2nd best power hitter
6 ??
7 ??
8 ??
9 - NL - pitcher or AL - the amazing dominican republic short stop you have with 40/35/45/50 for hitting =P

Throw your players into this website.  You'll be amazed at the recommendations that come out.

http://www.baseballmusings.com/cgi-bin/LineupAnalysis.py/

As eye goes, yes, it impacts walks most significantly, but using the same manner of comparison as described above, in plate appearances that don't end in a walk, the player with the higher eye rating tends to make contact more consistently than the player with the lower rating. Think about it in real-life terms --

This is what I'm saying. We know Eye directly affects if the at bat will end in a walk. However, if it ends in an out or a ball in play, I do not believe eye helps. Maybe in real life, but not the game.

So basically you are proposing that;

1. a batter with good eye swings at less pitches outside the strike zone, and therefore produces a better chance of contact per at bat. (however i believe contact covers this entire assumption)

2. a batter's ability to contact isn't fully based on the contact stat but a combination. I.e. ability to hit would be hypothetically contact + (0.1)Eye 0 contact. That's assuming eye has 10% input.

I'm just asking if this is known or not since I'm new to the game.

Eye will pretty much equate to how much higher OBP is than AVG.    IOW, 75 eye with a .225 BA = .300 OBP.  

Does contact increase batting average beyond the extent to which it cuts down on Ks?

Obviously everything works together, but I've always used the simple view that contact = less Ks and is somewhat meaningless without splits.  For example a guy with 100 contact and 20 splits will still have a low AVG, but the AVG rises proportionally to an increase in splits.

Allow me to present this SOB Hardball Dynasty – Fantasy Baseball Sim Games - Player Profile: Felipe Johnson   .316 OBP.  

63 eye, 59 pt difference between AVG/OBP.    Pretty much what you'll find.

Posted by isack24 on 7/5/2012 10:59:00 AM (view original):
Does contact increase batting average beyond the extent to which it cuts down on Ks?

Obviously everything works together, but I've always used the simple view that contact = less Ks and is somewhat meaningless without splits.  For example a guy with 100 contact and 20 splits will still have a low AVG, but the AVG rises proportionally to an increase in splits.

He'll be better than a guy with 80 contact and 20 splits if that's your question. 

Sure, but isn't that only because putting the ball in play necessarily gives you a better chance of getting a hit?  I guess I'm saying that while contact indirectly affects AVG because the ball being put in play gives you a better chance of getting a hit, what really determines AVG is splits, right?

This is the way I have always thought of it:

Eye - affects whether players swings
Contact - once a player swings, affects whether contact is made
Splits - once contact is made, affects whether the ball is a hit

So while you will necessarily get more hits with higher contact because the ball is put in play more often, it is really splits that determines whether there is a hit.  And power, while maybe the most important, really just determines the type of hit or is a multiplier of some sort.  Right or wrong?