FWIW, because you signed him at 3m(and paid him more) that doesn't mean he wasn't on my target list.   Maybe I just needed him to be cheaper.  Obviously, I don't mind paying him 6m now.

Posted by boogerlips on 7/16/2012 11:08:00 AM (view original):
To my knowledge player's only get the 25% of the option year if they are declined by me. If they leave on their own they don't get anything. Is this inaccurate? 

Dammit.   Don't let facts get in the way of my mockery of you.

Season over for this team. It ended up with a 91-71 record, taking the division and losing in the ALCS 4 games to 2. Without the signings, it was (at best) a .500 team and more likely a cellar-dweller.

It remains to be seen how many, if any, of the departing FA go elsewhere next season, but even if they all retire, it illustrates the difference even the after-market FA in a World can make for a team that doesn't have a ton of talent but doesn't want to tank/soft-tank/lose at the ML level.

Posted by boogerlips on 7/16/2012 9:24:00 AM (view original):
Mikey just proved himself wrong. LOL.

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Posted by MikeT23 on 7/15/2012 3:38:00 PM (view original):

They won't be signed.  I've done this several times(not to the same extent).  I get the guys back at a discount if they're still Type A because they're a year older and not better.   Nothing changes about anyone's desire to sign them.

In some Worlds, anyway, the market changes from year to year. The guys may be a year older and not better, but teams may have cap room or have new needs based on other retirements, arbitration losses, trades, injuries, etc.

Posted by zbrent716 on 7/14/2012 5:49:00 PM (view original):

5/1/2012 11:27 PM	zbrent716	Twins	Virgil Morales	P	34	Free-Agent Signing
5/1/2012 11:27 PM	zbrent716	Twins	Jamie Thompson	P	33	Free-Agent Signing
5/1/2012 11:27 PM	zbrent716	Twins	Vic Olmeda	P	35	Free-Agent Signing
5/2/2012 3:17 PM	zbrent716	Twins	David Espinosa	P	35	Free-Agent Signing
5/2/2012 3:56 AM	zbrent716	Twins	Einar Duran	P	35	Free-Agent Signing
5/7/2012 12:25 PM	zbrent716	Twins	Clay Lee	2B	30	Free-Agent Signing

These six players were Type A FA that were not bid on. All 6 signed for 1-year deals, so the draft picks I lost this year are (at least potentially) made up next season. Really, the picks are likely to improve, because unless one team signs them all like I did this season, I effectively turned my round 6 pick this season into a Supp Rd. pick and either a late Round 1 or early Round 2 pick next season.

These 6 were integral to making a winning team.

Without them, the Twins this season had very few quality innings available. With them, we won 91 games and took the division.

Virgil Morales went to TB for 2 years, $6.0M per. At the moment, the Twins pick up (right now) these two picks: Rd. 1, Pk. 38 & Rd. 3, Pk. 117.

Jamie Thompson went to SD for 1 year, $1.9M. At the moment, the Twins pick up these two picks (second one likely to change, I think): Rd. 1, Pk. 67 & Rd. 2, Pk. 92.

Vic Olmeda remains unsigned and may come back to MN on another 1-year deal.

David Espinosa went to Pit for 1 year, $3.6M. At the moment, the Twins pick up these two picks: Rd. 1, Pk. 63 & Rd. 3, Pk. 133.

Einar Duran went to Phi for 4 years, $5.8M per. At the moment, the Twins pick up these two picks: Rd. 1, Pk. 52 & Rd. 2, Pk. 102.

Clay Lee went to Was for 1 year, $3.9M. The Twins pick up this pick: Rd. 1, Pk. 64.

Now I am poor at drafting, so nothing may come of those picks, but an owner who can draft well can usually get at least ML role players in the supplemental draft, and last year's leftovers not only won the division, they also earned the franchise 5 supplemental round picks this season, plus 4 other picks.

So what happened?   How many picks did you get?

Posted by MikeT23 on 8/9/2012 11:09:00 AM (view original):
So what happened?   How many picks did you get?

See one post above yours.

Nice haul.   Must say I'm a bit surprised that the attitude of FIVE owners changed on the value of those players.

Posted by MikeT23 on 8/9/2012 11:32:00 AM (view original):
Nice haul.   Must say I'm a bit surprised that the attitude of FIVE owners changed on the value of those players.

Well, it's circumstances that changed as well (plus Philadelphia is a new owner, so only 4 owners "changed").

Last year, for example, TB did not sign any Type A FA. Had he wanted Morales last year, it would have cost him his round one pick (#24). That - among other things like team makeup, cap room, etc. - may have dissuaded him. This year, TB has the 14th pick in round one (protected) and has signed three Type A picks - so to him, Morales costs him a 2nd/3rd round pick now. That's a less steep price.

Things change considerably from one season to the next, and those circumstances dictate the change in perception/attitude as much as anything.

Perhaps it's a difference in worlds.  I've done the same thing and gotten the players back at a discounted rate again.

Could be worth it to ask the owners for their thought processes on the signings -- I'm wondering if you'll hear anything like "well, he did so well last year for you!"  (In which case your strategy absolutely panned out!)

Posted by drzachary on 8/9/2012 1:42:00 PM (view original):
Could be worth it to ask the owners for their thought processes on the signings -- I'm wondering if you'll hear anything like "well, he did so well last year for you!"  (In which case your strategy absolutely panned out!)

They were all secondary or tertiary Type A picks by those teams.  In other words, they'd already given up their true first round pick for another player they'd signed.  Giving up the 38th or 60th overall is an easy sacrifice at that point.

The biggest factor was the difference in the FA market. The Season 19 market was nearly vacant of impact players and so there were not many people signing Type As and willing to give up picks for those guys. This Season (20) was a completely different story as there were a number of big impact players out there which created a market with lots of spenders with big free agent bankrolls to spend.

Posted by overeasy on 8/13/2012 4:15:00 PM (view original):
The biggest factor was the difference in the FA market. The Season 19 market was nearly vacant of impact players and so there were not many people signing Type As and willing to give up picks for those guys. This Season (20) was a completely different story as there were a number of big impact players out there which created a market with lots of spenders with big free agent bankrolls to spend.

This was a large driving factor too. At least four teams - and perhaps up to 6 - left between $30M and $60M in FA money open to make a run at one of the multiple top FA (two guys ended up with max deals).

For the other 4+ teams who had their max deals rebuffed by the top FA, they suddenly had $30M sitting that was allocated for FA. Effectively removing the budget concerns, all that was left was whether these players were worth (in most cases) a second round pick - which they clearly were.