Cancelled Bid on International Topic

I hope someone can shed some light on this for me.  I've been trying to put in a bid on an international, but my bid keeps getting cancelled.  I have 24 mil in prospect budget available and I'm only offering 10 mil.  I have no other offers pending to other internationals or draft picks.  I've already signed most of my draft picks.  I sent in a ticket and they've "escalated" it to a higher department, but I was just wondering if any of you had any thoughts.
10/5/2010 4:08 PM
See this thread.   This is a known bug...  try withdrawing the offer completely and re-submitting.
10/5/2010 4:48 PM
Well that's frustrating.  CS told me it was because I had a huge bid on another international, but I had actually withdrawn that bid several days ago.  There must be a glitch where that withdrawal is not registering somewhere in the system.
10/5/2010 6:43 PM

just an FYI, but initial CS often says things that turn out to be 100% wrong.  I'm not sure whether that happened in your case or not, but what is causing your "issue" may or may not be what they say is causing it

10/6/2010 11:28 AM
Wow, I actually got an explanation.

"You've encountered a rare bug we discovered a few week ago. We've corrected it but it won't be live on the site for another two weeks as part of an update. It has to do with your low player payroll and the fact you have no one locked up beyond next season.

In the meantime, we suggest not making ML deals to prospects but to instead up your signing bonus."
10/6/2010 6:22 PM
yep, you had the one I was thinking about ... good thing you didn't have to go through THIS hassle to get it figured out (not me doing the tickets, identifying details omitted to protect the user who did all the hard work)

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User X
I was in the bidding for an International Free Agent named xxxxxx. As of the Monday AM cycle, I was informed in an email from the player that unless anything changed, he was "coming to my city". My max bid was over $10M+ plus an MLB contract.
After the PM cycle today, I saw that xxxxx had signed with another team, for less money. I never got an e-mail from him saying giving me a chance to up my bid (although; since I had the high bid, I wouldn't need to) and after he signed; I never got the usual taunting e-mail from the player. I've never had this happen before; so I wanted to ask what went wrong.
Thanks.

Customer Support
Thanks for your note. That's unusual as it is a somewhat common occurrence as outlined in both KB Articles #s 612 and 631.

User X
I do not understand your response. It's unusual, but it is somewhat common? What are KB Articles?
Thanks.

Customer Support
Sorry. Was not aware that you had no knowledge of the Knowledge Base. Let me help and clarify. Under the heading 'Admin Office' move your mouse down to 'Help' and click on the highlighted 'FAQ' heading. Then click on the words 'Knowledge Base'. It will be on the right hand side of your screen in small print. In the window that says 'Sub Category' click on 'International Prospects' and you'll see the two Knowledge Base articles #s that were referred to in the initial response. The #s are 612 and 631.

The Knowledge Base is a huge glossary containing many different sections with answers to many FAQs in all areas of the Hardball Dynasty game. Being familiar with this very useful 'tool' will provide you with many answers without having to wait the sometimes extended periods of time that Admin can take to respond directly to you. Anything that you are not able to find in the Knowledge Base you are, of course, more than welcome to be submitting tickets. Thanks again.

User X
OK, thanks. But neither 612 nor 631 apply here. Neither of those scenarios happened.

Customer Support
xxxx,

You originally offered a bonus of $10,195,000 and at the time you could afford that amount. However, over the time of the negotiation money had changed hands through signings or promotions and you were no longer able to afford the bonus that you offered, therefore your offer was canceled.

User X
That is not true. At no point did I offer any player(s) the amount necessary to make me unable to afford this Free Agent. In fact, I signed my Amateur Draft picks AFTER xxxxx signed elsewhere. And even then, I signed them for a total of $4,847,500; which leaves $15,152,500 available for IFA's.

This has become very frustrating. You guys are now changing your answers, which shows me that even you don't know what happened here. Meanwhile I lost out on a player I wanted for future seasons of this game. I hope that you can come up with a solution to rectify this situation shortly.

Thanks.

Customer Support
xxxxx,

I simply looked at the payroll you had available at the time the negotiation was processed. The data shows that you did not have the money to sign this player.


User X
That is simply not the case. I have signed no IFA's this year; and at the point of negotiations, I hadn't even signed my draft picks. I had the full $20M at my disposal.
 
Customer Support
xxxxx,

The AI can spend money by promoting players to fill roster slots due to injury, or by signing draft picks to fill the RL roster. If you look at the budget transfer page you will see that you did not have the funds available to pay the bonus that you offered at the time of the negotiation.


User X
Again, you are talking about things that "could" happen, but didn't. The AI was turned off at the time; and if you look at my transactions; there were no promotions or signings. As I said before, and as you can see on the transactions page, I signed my draft picks AFTER this happened.
Even after I signed my draft picks, I still have over $14M available in my budget, as I did then.

As I said earlier- this is becoming very frustrating. You are again changing your answers. Obviously there was some sort of glitch in your system, which unfairly prevented me from getting this player. I've spent plenty of money and time on this website; and am interested in continuing to do so in the future. However, the handling of this episode is making me question that. Please let me know how you are going to fix this.

Thanks,
xxxxx


User X
It's been over 53 hours since I last wrote to you, and haven't received any response. In the meantime, I haven't bid on International Free Agents pending the result of this situation. Please let me know your solution as soon as possible.



Customer Support
xxxxx,

There is no "glitch". If there was an issue with the process it would have been a game wide problem and it would not be isolated to your specific negotiation with one specific player.

A negotiation can be canceled for a very limited number of reasons. The most common are player transactions (promotions, offer backs, demotions), outstanding negotiations (FA or IFA) and player trades (pending or completed). The negotiation was canceled because you did not have the money available to sign this player.

The database contains all of the data that we need to formulate a response in regards to your issue. We used the data to derive the answer that we provided you. Again, the negotiation was canceled because you had outstanding commitments that made the negotiation impossible for you to fulfill.


User X
I ask again- what "outstanding commitments" did I have? I offered no money to any other IFA's; and I didn't sign any of my draft picks until AFTER xxxxx was signed by another team. (And again; I only signed them for $4,847,500; which left more than enough money for xxxxx). There were no promotions, offer backs, demotions, outstanding negotiations, trades or anything else. If I did do something like that, shouldn't your database show it?
It's been almost a week now, and you haven't explained what happened. I'd appreciate a fix to this matter soon.


Customer Support

There is nothing to fix. You did not have the money when the negotiation was processed and the reasons for canceling a negotiation have been outlined to you three times. If you had had the money available the offer would have been processed.


User X
You have not explained how I did not have the money. I have $20M allocated towards Prospects. I had signed ZERO prospects at the time xxxx was awarded to another team. I then signed my draft picks for less than $5M; leaving $15M+, more than enough to sign xxxx.
Please rectify this situation soon.

Customer Service
tzentmeyer here at this point. I reviewed this today and it turns out there was a bug. A very rare bug, but a bug nonetheless. It had to do with you having no payroll allotted to future seasons (4 & 5 years out). We have fixed the bug and it will be in the next update.

We can't undo the IP signing with another franchise -- that would impact others and just isn't the right thing to do since all other users experience the same logic. However, we've issued you a $5 credit for helping us pinpoint a bug.

Thank you for being persistent with this.

10/7/2010 8:20 AM
see how CS gave canned responses at first, then made up some crap in the middle to "explain" what was going on, then kept insisiting there was nothing wrong ... finally tzent gets involved and miracle of miracles, it WAS a glitch

I know CS must deal with tons of silly/stupid questions on a daily basis, but to assmume all of the questions are silly/stupid shows a lack of professionalism and I'm sure has (or will) alienate a lot of quality users who are just trying to help WiS identify problems with the software

I certainly wouldn't have banged my head against he wall long enough to get to the right answer like this user did ... and had he not made the effort, you would have been (and did for a little while) having the same frustrating exercise
10/7/2010 8:24 AM
I've had that exact same experience with CS...weeks of back and forth with them giving me stupid responses (like the chance of a zero power guy hitting an inside the park HR is 1 in 1,000,000,000) before they finally admit that something wasn't right.  It feels like they hired interns that never played the game to answer these questions.
10/7/2010 9:07 AM

One additional point ... the CS response near the bottom that starts with "there is no 'glitch'" is the crux of the entry-level CS problem

The response was simply there is no "glitch" because the program operated consistent with the programming rules ... in their mind a "glitch" was the program violating a rule ... but when the true anwer was finally revealed by tzent, we discovered that the RULES of the program were wrong (in that they created an unintended result)

if entry-level CS is only going to see an issue if the software violates its own rules, that is never going to happen, and they will never see a "glitch" ... entry-level CS needs to either know enough to comprehend when a software rule is producing an unintended result, or know enough to pass those questions to someone who does

10/7/2010 11:19 AM
I am still having this issue. International offers getting canceled with plenty of prospect budget.
8/17/2012 10:23 AM
Posted by goosegoslin on 8/17/2012 10:23:00 AM (view original):
I am still having this issue. International offers getting canceled with plenty of prospect budget.
No you aren't.

signed,

first level WIS CS
8/17/2012 10:43 AM
lmao
8/17/2012 11:50 AM
I'm not sure if you covered this or not (my eyes glazed over at some point) but I ran into a confusing problem a few seasons ago.  I had a very frustrating interaction with the CS over the course of a few messages.  It turned out I was actually wrong, even though I might fault the CS for having been less clear than s/he could have been.  What happened was this:

1)  I tried to make an MLB bid on an IFA, but could only get MiLB/STI and MiLB bids to work, and somebody else was outbidding me.
2) I contacted CS, and they told me it was because I had insufficient funds in my account
3) I got confused because I knew I had $X+ (I think it was $20+ mil, but can't remember...doesn't really matter much.)
4) We went back and forth over the course of two or three emails, at which point I realized s/he was talking about Player Salary budget and not prospect budget.  Still, I knew that I had sufficient money to sign the player to a minimum deal up to $327k.  I was irate that CS hired such idiots.
5) I meticulously went and copied down all of my budget information for the next five seasons in order to show CS what an idiot s/he was, when I realized that the MLB deal, good for $327k/yr, put me over the Player Salary budget NOT THIS SEASON BUT NEXT (since I had a number of guys locked down on multiple-year deals).  Not surprisingly, this annoyed me even further, but I realized I didn't have a leg to stand on, so I reluctantly sent an apology back to the CS.

6) I looked around for somebody to blame...but couldn't find a good culprit.  Sure, the budget rules are complicated, but not unfair (given the difficulties of managing this online game); the CS was perhaps mediocre, but not quite an idiot; and really, I couldn't even blame myself, since I'd been slow, but just because it was a complicated process.  In the end, I had to take a page out of Kurt Vonnegut's book and say, "So it goes."



8/21/2012 7:10 PM
Cancelled Bid on International Topic

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