Posted by deanod on 1/4/2012 12:53:00 PM (view original):
So...it helps to have OJ Mayo so we can trade him for Josh McRoberts later?  How does that help unless we have a very good 1st unit (which Mayo would obviously not be a part of) and need a big man off the bench?  Those are the types that fill out your roster as opposed to items of value, our ************* cap space has more value than Mayo, Thompson, et al.

And motherfuck your logic is terrible.  2-3% chance at the title is NOT worth nothing.  Going to the 2nd round of the playoffs is NOT worth the same as losing in rd 1 or missing the playoffs.  You can't seem to grasp this.  The assets that you suggest targeting are worth WAY closer to nothing than our team as assembled.

Posted by deanod on 1/4/2012 1:37:00 PM (view original):
Celtics odds are > 1%

You're just way underrating the team and it's mindboggling that you think tanking beats rooting for one season where the team is in the top quartile and has essentially nothing to gain by trading their short term assets.

KG probably regressed some, Pierce looks fine, JO looks fine.  JO only missed 1 game, he was expected to miss at least a handful of games here and there with inconsistent contributions.  We finally have a solid 5th player in Bass, and it looks like we could have struck the lotto with Stiemsma.  Our 1st unit is easily top 3 if we swap JON + Bradley + picks for Varejao.  Or if Stiemsma really emerges and Wilcox starts playing well, we could consider trading JON for a backup big and a quality backup wing.  Either way we have a quality core, some promising peripheral players, and the assets to add one or two last pieces if we want to make one last run.  You are way way way underrating the hand the Celtics are working with.

Well geez let's see, we only had like the 3rd best 1st unit in the league last year, ~ half a point worse than Miami, our bench looks improved, and we have expiring contracts and picks to add a final piece to supplement the team.  Sure age + injuries could be our undoing, but seeing that I'm estimating the title odds at 2-3%, I'm pretty sure that's already priced in.  Anyhow, Ray is an ageless wonder, Pierce was better than ever last year, and KG is really the only serious concern to experience heavy decline.

Seeing that you've made a number of blatantly silly or untrue statements, like the Celtics "won't even make the ECF without major injuries to competitors," and you think the 28th pick in the draft is worth more than a season of the 7th-8th best team in the league, you're not really qualified to be the arbiter of appropriate rating.

Posted by ashamael on 1/4/2012 7:06:00 PM (view original):
moranis, I understand your "win it all or rebuild" attitude, yet what you're suggesting doesn't really improve the Celtics' chances in the future.  You're suggesting they get extremely lucky and draft someone the likes of monta ellis or david lee late in the first round.  Why not just wish that they lose enough games to be the first team not in the playoffs, grab the magic ball that gets them the number one pick who turns out to be Tim Duncan!!!

You've repeatedly stated your opinion.  Cool.  Looks like these Celtic fans disagree with you.  They would rather have a small chance at glory than watch their team be 30-35 wins for the next 3-4 years, which they'll likely do anyway if the team does what you're suggesting.

This whole discussion reminds me of when the Pistons blew up their squad.  Looking back now - how'd that go for them?  They went from perennial 50-win contenders to buying Charie V & Ben Gordon and being perennial basement contenders.

I'm pretty sure these Celtic fans in this thread are eager to do that.

Note that I'm not a Celtic fan (I'm not a C hater, either) and I think they have more than a 2-3% chance of winning the title.  I think they have 0% chance of winning a title in the next 4 years if they make the moves you suggest.  But if it is only 2%, simple math shows us:

2% > 0%

Honestly, I thought the Celtics were done in 2010.  Then they handed both Cleveland & Orland their *****.

Posted by felonius on 1/4/2012 11:05:00 PM (view original):
you need to do right by 'your guys' if you want to keep being a destination franchise for free agents - Pierce is definitely one of your guys (right up there with Larry and Mr Russell) but are the other 2?

they should be to the extent that they don't get traded for a late 1st rounder or w/e they're worth right now.

they asked ainge on the radio when they were 0-3 if he would trade ray and kg if things went really south and he said "you can't get a top 10 pick for them."  that mirrors my feelings, if you can't get a ridiculously good return may as well just keep em.