16 x 16 Version 16 - Bizarro Edition Topic

16 x 16, Version 16 - Bizarro Edition
No Salary Cap
1961-2014 Seasons Only

This is a 16-team league.  There will be no salary cap, although I suspect most teams' salaries will fall in the $90-$100M range.

There have been 15 versions of the popular 16x16 theme.  In a typical 16x16 league, we would each choose a unique player with at least 16 eligible sim seasons, then we'd take turns drafting a different version of these 16 players.  The remaining 9 players on each roster would come from teammates of the 16 players drafted.

This 16th version of the 16x16 theme is similar but UNIQUELY DIFFERENT than what was typical.

Each owner will nominate a single-season team (i.e., 2014 SF Giants).  The owner will then privately disclose to me (via site-mail) which player they want to draft from that team.  Once all 16 teams are selected, I will post which 16 players were taken.  A 15-round draft will then commence, with each owner drafting exactly one player from each of the remaining 15 teams.  The draft order will be in the reverse order of cumulative salary (i.e. lowest salary drafts first).

The initial player selection and subsequent draft will populate 16 spots of your 25-man roster.  What about the other 9 roster spots?  This is where you should put some thought into your initial team selection.  You will be able to use any undrafted player from your nominated team's roster, but you can "twist" those 9 players to any season you want (including a season already nominated by somebody else).  The goal is to find teams with lots of players, especially players who might be useless for that season but have other "twisted" seasons that will be useful.

** EDIT **
Instead of waiting until the end of round 15 to fill in your 9 roster spots, each owner will select one undrafted player (for twisting purposes) from their roster after rounds 8, 10, 12 & 14.  These players will not be counted toward the team salary for drafting order.  The remaining five players will be selected after round 15.

Clarification:  Only sim-eligible players can be twisted. 

Some other important rules to consider when selecting your team:
* The team you nominate must have at least 25 unique players
* The team you nominate must have at least 4 hitters with 500+ PA/162
* The team you nominate must have at least 3 pitchers with 180+ IP/162
* You must use the ballpark that your nominated team played in during that season.

Also note
* Rule for players who played on multiple teams:  Either the partial (nominated team only) or combined version may be drafted, but not both.  So once a player is drafted off a team, all versions of that player are off the board.  (For example, if the 1984 Cubs were nominated, somebody drafts the Cubs-only version of Sutcliffe, the combined version of Sutcliffe is off the board.  The Cleveland-only version of Sutcliffe is never eligible in this scenario)

I really don't know how this will play out, as far as what the average team salary will be, so we'll have no salary cap.  My inclination is that is will be much less than a normal 16x16 (which uses $120M).  The division alignment will be based on total team salary (i.e., highest salaried teams in the NL East, lowest in AL West).

Other Specifics:
Salary Cap: None
Seasons: 1961-2014 only (including twisted players)
No AAA
No WW
No DH
No Trades
No Clones
No Injuries
No Live Play
Ballpark: Used by your selected team
Division Alignment: Based on team salary
12/4/2014 12:35 PM (edited)

Owners List
1. schwarze (2013 New York Yankees)
2. marlowe (1985 New York Mets)
3. specsman (1986 California Angels)
4. pedrocerrano (1996 Atlanta Braves)
5. njbigwig (2008 Los Angeles Dodgers)
6. mllama54 (1997 Seattle Mariners)
7. horus_6 (1968 Boston Red Sox)
8. pmars2001  (2000 New York Yankees)
9. zephyr1949 (1995 Atlanta Braves)
10. shysters3 (1985 St. Louis Cardinals)
11. hersheybear (1976 Baltimore Orioles)
12. calhoop (1968 St. Louis Cardinals)
13. odalisgagne (1998 Toronto Blue Jays)
14. dvorr80 (1988 Los Angeles Dodgers)
15. coled (1972 Oakland A's)
16. brucel  (1967 New York Yankees)

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Site-mail list
brucel; calhoop; coled; dvorr80; hersheybear; horus_6; marlowe, mllama54; njbigwig; odalisgagne; pedrocerrano; pmars2001; schwarze; shysters3; specsman; zephyr1949

12/7/2014 10:45 PM (edited)

Nominated Teams List

1967 New York Yankees
1968 Boston Red Sox
1968 St. Louis Cardinals
1972 Oakland A's
1976 Baltimore Orioles
1985 New York Mets
1985 St. Louis Cardinals
1986 California Angels
1988 Los Angeles Dodgers
1995 Atlanta Braves
1996 Atlanta Braves
1997 Seattle Mariners
1998 Toronto Blue Jays
2000 New York Yankees
2008 Los Angeles Dodgers
2013 New York Yankees

12/7/2014 10:46 PM (edited)
Reserved
12/3/2014 1:27 PM
I'll join. Team to be determined.
12/3/2014 1:33 PM
I'm in. Team TBD
12/3/2014 2:34 PM
schwarze - njbigwig is in; he says his head is spinning with this version (team TBD)
12/3/2014 2:51 PM
I am in.Team to be determined.
12/3/2014 3:05 PM
Question - Does the 1961 - 2014 season restriction apply only to the teams nominated or also to the twisting of the undrafted players?
12/3/2014 4:13 PM
1961-2014 is for all players.
12/3/2014 4:59 PM
I have got to be in for this madness.  tbd
12/3/2014 5:23 PM
As I've been doing research, I am starting to get the feeling that we could see some really ugly PA and IP issues.  Real-life teams just have way too many crappy part-time players and/or sucky 100-150 IP pitchers.  Most people will "screw others" by taking a cheap twist option off their team rather than wasting a pick on some 120-IP pitcher with a 1.65 whip.  Therefore...

I am modifying the TWIST rule as follows:

At the end of rounds 8, 10, 12 and 14, each team will "add" one of his nominated team's undrafted players to his roster (twisted of course).  This way, you are guaranteed at least 4 decent twist options, which will help with PA and IP.  These players' salary will not count as far as the subsequent draft order is determined.

12/3/2014 5:29 PM
I would try this,,thanks  I will use the 1995 Atlanta Braves
12/3/2014 6:50 PM (edited)
I will go with the 1985 NYM
12/3/2014 8:52 PM

If your nominated team contains players that are ineligible in the sim, then you CANNOT twist those players.  Only players eligible to be drafted can be twisted.

Also, your initial player CANNOT be twisted. 

So you will have 16 un-twisted players, one each from the 16 nominated teams, and 9 twisted players, where the 9 players are sim-eligible players on your nominated team.

(In theory, you could decide to NOT twist one or more of the 9 undrafted players from your nominated team, but not sure why you would want that?  I would imagine all the "good" players from your nominated team would be drafted, thus leaving behind a bunch of grabage.

12/3/2014 10:13 PM (edited)
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