Greatest Franchise - Mega Tournament Topic

Greatest Franchise - Mega Tournament - Win $500

Which of the original 16 franchises is the best of all-time?  Who are the best sim owners?  This tournament will answer both of these questions.  And there will be lots of prize money involved.   But this tournament isn't for everybody.  Serious sim-owners only. 

General Info
This mega tournament is open to the first 32 people to sign up.  These 32 people must form a partnership of two.  Each of these 16 partnerships will build 16 rosters (8 per owner), representing each of the 16 original franchises.  The 16 franchises will be entered in 16 different leagues (one franchise per league).  So in essence, there will be 16 leagues being run simultaneously, with each owner running 8 teams. 

Entry Fee & Prizes
Each owner will purchase a $40 gift certificate (more details on that later).  Admin should contribute at least $120, making the total prize pool = $1400.  There are three ways to win.  If you are one of the top 4 partnerships (measured by cumulative regular season W-L% of all 16 teams), then you split one of the four prizes.  1st = $500, 2nd = $300, 3rd = $200, 4th = $100

Also, there will be two additional leagues after the first round is completed.  The 16 World Series winners will be placed into one league.  Alignment will be random.  This is the best of the best.  The World Series champion of that league wins $100.  The runner-up wins $50.  These prizes are paid to the individual owner, not the partnership.

The other Round 2 league will consist of the best of each franchise, measured by regular season W-L%.  If two or more teams are tied, then the highest pythag. expected W-L% advances.  If still tied, then most runs scored.  Again, the World Series champion of this league wins $100.  The runner-up wins $50.  This is to the individual owner, not the partnership.  And yes, it's likely that some of the teams will advance to both round 2 leagues.


Details:
Salary Cap = $120 million
Seasons allowed = 1901 to 2010
DH: No
WW: No
AAA: No
Trades: No
Clones: No
Injuries: Turned on
SLL: Not allowed
Ballpark: Use a park that your franchise called home (during 1901-2010)
Team Name: Please use standard real-life team name (i.e., Atlanta Braves or Milwaukee Braves, not Chief Wahoo's Braves) and append your partnership letter at the end so it's easy to keep track of the partnership standings.  For example - Atlanta Braves (G) or Washington Senators (K).
Division Alignment: See below

One More Additional $$$ Prize:
If you are worried about your partner bringing you down, I have a special prize that I am contributing from my own pocket.  Each owner's regular season W-L record for his 8 teams will be compared to the average regular season W-L record of those 8 teams (his record will be excluded in calculating the average)  The owner with the biggest cumulative W-L differential will win an extra $100.  So don't spend too much time worrying about who your partner is.  Just try to draft the best franchise teams you can.

Site-mail List
alleyviper; ballantine; beirnej1; bigmc; brianjw; calhoop; ejstockman; elonsmitty; happyhours; jbohrman; jtpsops; llcoach; markeking; mllama54; moneybonn; mpitt76; njbigwig; Oli35; pedrocerrano; pmars2001; rbow923; Rose 4D Hall; schwarze; skunk206; SophieGiants; thejuice6; tjefferson; tracyr; wedhead36; Whiteslave; zephyr1949; zlionsfan
3/4/2011 2:18 PM (edited)
Division Alignment

NL East:
St. Louis Cardinals
Chicago Cubs
Philadelphia Phillies
Pittsburgh Pirates

NL West:
Boston / Atlanta / Milwaukee Braves
Brooklyn / Los Angeles Dodgers
New York / San Francisco Giants
Cincinnati Reds

AL East:
St. Louis Browns / Baltimore Orioles
Boston Red Sox
Detroit Tigers
New York Yankees

AL West:
Philadelphia / Kansas City / Oakland Athletics
Cleveland Indians
Washington Senators / Minnesota Twins
Chicago White Sox

(See baseball-reference.com for complete list of franchise designations.  I didn't include all of them here)
3/10/2011 9:50 AM (edited)

Each partnership will be assigned a random letter (A thru P).  Each franchise will be randomly assigned a number (1 thru 16).  Based on these assignments, the following grid determines which of the 16 leagues each team is placed into. 

Owner Lg 01 Lg 02 Lg 03 Lg 04 Lg 05 Lg 06 Lg 07 Lg 08 Lg 09 Lg 10 Lg 11 Lg 12 Lg 13 Lg 14 Lg 15 Lg 16
A 9 14 3 16 2 8 12 5 10 6 7 1 13 15 4 11
B 16 7 11 4 10 1 6 14 9 2 8 3 12 13 15 5
C 11 6 14 9 1 15 8 12 5 7 16 4 3 10 2 13
D 10 16 2 15 11 14 7 8 13 3 9 6 4 5 12 1
E 14 12 16 8 5 13 4 3 2 9 10 7 15 1 11 6
F 13 2 9 6 12 7 5 4 11 16 1 15 8 3 14 10
G 4 8 1 7 16 10 3 2 15 5 12 13 6 11 9 14
H 6 15 4 1 9 11 16 13 14 12 3 8 10 2 5 7
I 3 10 7 5 14 12 15 6 8 4 13 11 2 16 1 9
J 1 5 13 10 7 2 9 15 12 11 4 16 14 8 6 3
K 15 13 6 3 8 5 11 9 7 1 14 2 16 4 10 12
L 8 11 12 2 13 9 1 16 3 14 15 10 5 6 7 4
M 5 1 10 12 15 3 13 7 4 8 6 9 11 14 16 2
N 7 9 5 13 4 6 10 11 16 15 2 14 1 12 3 8
O 2 3 15 11 6 4 14 10 1 13 5 12 7 9 8 16
P 12 4 8 14 3 16 2 1 6 10 11 5 9 7 13 15

Based on the random drawing, here are how the partnerships and franchises are assigned.

A mllama54 / thejuice6
B happyhours / zlionsfan
C elonsmitty / jbohrman
D ballantine / rbow923
E brianjw / skunk206
F markeking / zephyr1949
G llcoach / Oli35
H mpitt76 / calhoop
I pedrocerrano / njbigwig
J moneybonn / SophieGiants
K schwarze / bigmc
L beirnej1 / jtpsops
M tracyr / Whiteslave
N wedhead36 / pmars2001
O ejstockman / Rose 4D Hall
P alleyviper / tjefffeson
   
   
1 Reds
2 White Sox
3 Red Sox
4 Dodgers
5 Tigers
6 Phillies
7 Yankees
8 Cardinals
9 Athletics
10 Twins / Senators
11 Giants
12 Braves
13 Cubs
14 Pirates
15 Browns/Orioles
16 Indians
3/3/2011 1:19 PM (edited)

League Numbers...
 

    A B C D
League__ Number____ mllama54 / thejuice6 happyhours / zlionsfan elonsmitty / jbohrman ballantine / rbow923
Lg 01 MLB94615 Athletics Indians Giants Twins / Senators
Lg 02 MLB94603 Pirates Yankees Phillies Indians
Lg 03 MLB94549 Red Sox Giants Pirates White Sox
Lg 04 MLB94601 Indians Dodgers Athletics Browns / Orioles
Lg 05 MLB94569 White Sox Twins / Senators Reds Giants
Lg 06 MLB94546 Cardinals Reds Browns / Orioles Pirates
Lg 07 MLB94567 Braves Phillies Cardinals Yankees
Lg 08 MLB94544 Tigers Pirates Braves Cardinals
Lg 09 MLB94564 Twins / Senators Athletics Tigers Cubs
Lg 10 MLB94610 Phillies White Sox Yankees Red Sox
Lg 11 MLB94545 Yankees Cardinals Indians Athletics
Lg 12 MLB94551 Reds Red Sox Dodgers Phillies
Lg 13 MLB94608 Cubs Braves Red Sox Dodgers
Lg 14 MLB94605 Browns / Orioles Cubs Twins / Senators Tigers
Lg 15 MLB94606 Dodgers Browns / Orioles White Sox Braves
Lg 16 MLB94609 Giants Tigers Cubs Reds
           
    E F G H
League Number brianjw / skunk206 markeking / zephyr1949 llcoach / Oli35 mpitt76 / calhoop
Lg 01 MLB94615 Pirates Cubs Dodgers Phillies
Lg 02 MLB94603 Braves White Sox Cardinals Browns / Orioles
Lg 03 MLB94549 Indians Athletics Reds Dodgers
Lg 04 MLB94601 Cardinals Phillies Yankees Reds
Lg 05 MLB94569 Tigers Braves Indians Athletics
Lg 06 MLB94546 Cubs Yankees Twins / Senators Giants
Lg 07 MLB94567 Dodgers Tigers Red Sox Indians
Lg 08 MLB94544 Red Sox Dodgers White Sox Cubs
Lg 09 MLB94564 White Sox Giants Browns / Orioles Pirates
Lg 10 MLB94610 Athletics Indians Tigers Braves
Lg 11 MLB94545 Twins / Senators Reds Braves Red Sox
Lg 12 MLB94551 Yankees Browns / Orioles Cubs Cardinals
Lg 13 MLB94608 Browns / Orioles Cardinals Phillies Twins / Senators
Lg 14 MLB94605 Reds Red Sox Giants White Sox
Lg 15 MLB94606 Giants Pirates Athletics Tigers
Lg 16 MLB94609 Phillies Twins / Senators Pirates Yankees
           
    I J K L
League Number pedrocerrano / njbigwig moneybonn / SophieGiants schwarze / bigmc beirnej1 / jtpsops
Lg 01 MLB94615 Red Sox Reds Browns / Orioles Cardinals
Lg 02 MLB94603 Twins / Senators Tigers Cubs Giants
Lg 03 MLB94549 Yankees Cubs Phillies Braves
Lg 04 MLB94601 Tigers Twins / Senators Red Sox White Sox
Lg 05 MLB94569 Pirates Yankees Cardinals Cubs
Lg 06 MLB94546 Braves White Sox Tigers Athletics
Lg 07 MLB94567 Browns / Orioles Athletics Giants Reds
Lg 08 MLB94544 Phillies Browns / Orioles Athletics Indians
Lg 09 MLB94564 Cardinals Braves Yankees Red Sox
Lg 10 MLB94610 Dodgers Giants Reds Pirates
Lg 11 MLB94545 Cubs Dodgers Pirates Browns / Orioles
Lg 12 MLB94551 Giants Indians White Sox Twins / Senators
Lg 13 MLB94608 White Sox Pirates Indians Tigers
Lg 14 MLB94605 Indians Cardinals Dodgers Phillies
Lg 15 MLB94606 Reds Phillies Twins / Senators Yankees
Lg 16 MLB94609 Athletics Red Sox Braves Dodgers
           
    M N O P
League Number tracyr / Whiteslave wedhead36 / pmars2001 ejstockman / Rose 4D Hall alleyviper / tjefffeson
Lg 01 MLB94615 Tigers Yankees White Sox Braves
Lg 02 MLB94603 Reds Athletics Red Sox Dodgers
Lg 03 MLB94549 Twins / Senators Tigers Browns / Orioles Cardinals
Lg 04 MLB94601 Braves Cubs Giants Pirates
Lg 05 MLB94569 Browns / Orioles Dodgers Phillies Red Sox
Lg 06 MLB94546 Red Sox Phillies Dodgers Indians
Lg 07 MLB94567 Cubs Twins / Senators Pirates White Sox
Lg 08 MLB94544 Yankees Giants Twins / Senators Reds
Lg 09 MLB94564 Dodgers Indians Reds Phillies
Lg 10 MLB94610 Cardinals Browns / Orioles Cubs Twins / Senators
Lg 11 MLB94545 Phillies White Sox Tigers Giants
Lg 12 MLB94551 Athletics Pirates Braves Tigers
Lg 13 MLB94608 Giants Reds Yankees Athletics
Lg 14 MLB94605 Pirates Braves Athletics Yankees
Lg 15 MLB94606 Indians Red Sox Cardinals Cubs
Lg 16 MLB94609 White Sox Cardinals Indians Browns / Orioles

3/4/2011 2:00 PM (edited)
Reserved
3/1/2011 5:05 PM
So far, I have received 10 sets of predictions.  I haven't opened any of them yet because I haven't finalized my predictions.  I'm hoping all 32 owners submit something.  The deadline is Sunday, March 13.  I will post the cumulative results here, and will update the leaders throught the season.

Also, I am going to ask admin to create two sortable standings pages, one that shows the franchises and leagues, and one that shows the ownership tandem and leagues, both with the win totals.  This way, everybody can keep track of things on a daily basis.  if admin doesn't create this, then I'll post something similar on a weekly basis.

What's going to be fun is tracking how identical players do across the various leagues.

Here's an interesting question.  How many players (i.e., specific season and player) will appear on all 16 rosters for his specific franchise?  That wouldv'e been a good tie-breaker to use in the other contest.  With a 120M salary cap, there are quite a few slam dunk choices.  My guess is that anywhere between 2 and 4 players per franchise (on average) will be on 100% of rosters. 

Here's another question.  How many different franchises will be represented among the 16 World Series winners?  5?  8?  10? 
3/3/2011 4:40 PM (edited)
My picks for universal players:

Red Sox - Ruth, Williams, Pedro
Yankees - Ruth, Rivera
Browns/Orioles - Ripken, Palmer
Twins/Senators - W. Johnson
Indians - Feller, Lajoie
Athletics - Collins, Foxx, Cochrane
Tigers - Cobb, Kaline
White Sox - Thomas
Braves - Spahn, Maddux, Aaron
Cardinals - Pujols, Musial, Gibson, Hornsby
Cubs - M. Brown, Banks
Phillies - Alexander, Carlton
Reds - not sure there are any locks here
Dodgers - Koufax
Giants - Marichal, Bonds, Mathewson
Pirates - P. Waner, Bonds, Wagner
3/3/2011 6:52 PM

Ahhh, but some of these guys have more than one good season to choose from.  When considering exact season, how many guys will be 100% used?  And by the way, there are four players you listed above that I didn't use in my 8 teams. 

FYI - don't list specific players and seasons now.  We don't want to influence others' rosters.  I was really only thinking out loud.

3/3/2011 8:08 PM
I'm not putting specific seasons.  And truthfully, I was going to put more on, but left them off because I didn't end up using them.

But as for your other question up there, I think we'll see 11 different WS winners.  I'm predicting no titles for the White Sox, Twins/Senators, Reds, Tigers or Indians.
3/3/2011 9:05 PM
I don't have 5 of your universal players on my first drafts. and that's just on my 8 teams. also two your no-title teams were 5th and 7th on my prediction list. just goes to show you we all see this differently.
3/3/2011 9:18 PM
11 entries in so far.  Some wildly varying predictions.  beirnej1 and pmars2001 submitted predictions that are the closest to the aggregate prediction.  jtpsops' set of predictions was pretty far away from the aggregate and almost looked like he threw darts.  Of course, since there is a salary cap and just about every team has some tough decisions with roster seelctions, almost any team can win. 
3/4/2011 9:45 AM
To be honest, I felt it was a bit of a crapshoot, so I based my predictions on a combination of my personal experiences with each franchise in the SIM, and the talent pool available to each franchise. I'll go into more detail on that after the full results are posted.  Ultimately though, alignment and invididual owners will have a lot to do with the final results.
3/4/2011 9:51 AM
Another thing that will be interesting to hear is how the different partnerships decided to spit up the teams?  bigmc and I had a team draft.  I will post the order once the league starts.  Did most do drafts?  I know at least one partenership went AL and NL.  I'd be interested to hear how others split the teams.
3/4/2011 9:58 AM
Posted by schwarze on 3/4/2011 9:58:00 AM (view original):
Another thing that will be interesting to hear is how the different partnerships decided to spit up the teams?  bigmc and I had a team draft.  I will post the order once the league starts.  Did most do drafts?  I know at least one partenership went AL and NL.  I'd be interested to hear how others split the teams.
I guess you can call it a draft for what we did.  I picked 4 NL teams and thejuice picked 4 AL teams with the other partner getting the 4 teams that were not chosen in that league.  That way we each got 4 teams in each league.
3/4/2011 10:25 AM
Ya, beirnej and I were similar.  We wanted to simplify it, so I let him go first.  He took one division, and then I picked one division in the opposite league.  Then we each got the remaining division in the league opposite from our first choice, giving us 4 AL and 4NL teams each.
3/4/2011 10:56 AM
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