70 Mile Rule Topic

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I have a B- prestige at a D1 mid-major.

Have the No. 10 PG (60 something overall) within 70 miles of me. How much does that help overcome a better prestige (say B+ or A-), assuming I put a ton of jack (at least 40k+) into the kid?
10/14/2009 10:36 AM
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I don't think that the 70 mile rule helps you out with any added recruiting effort towards a kid (especially now with distance preferences), it helps with kids who are unlikely to talk to you to start but will because they are within the 70 miles.

10/14/2009 10:39 AM
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That's a tough one. I think it would really depend on who comes in and tries to battle. If you have a lot of schollies with decent extra money, I'd put maybe like 10k in right out of the gate so that anyone with FSS will see that he is a "top priority" or something like that - and then if someone comes in and tries to battle, see if you can beat them. You def have an advantage with the distance, but a pretty big disadvantage on the prestige. If you put $40k in, and someone from within 360 miles they would probably only need $25-$30k. Putting up $10k isn't too big of a risk for a great player. Being within 70 miles will not give you any extra effort towards the player though.

That is one of the toughest things at DI - knowing when to battle (if you have a shot of winning) and when to walk.
10/14/2009 10:43 AM
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Its a learning experience. All you can do is try
10/14/2009 10:50 AM
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I agree with zhawks' assessment. The close distance makes it cheaper to recruit the kid but doesn't give you any added recruiting effort. The 70-mile rule only comes into play when you're trying to attract a player that is out of your range and no players are out of range for a B- school in DI.

Also, I wouldn't consider $40K all that much for an elite recruit.
10/14/2009 11:03 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By mniven on 10/14/2009
I agree with zhawks' assessment. The close distance makes it cheaper to recruit the kid but doesn't give you any added recruiting effort. The 70-mile rule only comes into play when you're trying to attract a player that is out of your range and no players are out of range for a B- school in DI.

Also, I wouldn't consider $40K all that much for an elite recruit.

I said 40K+. I was thinking that was the minimum starting point for a battle (depending who is battling, prestige, and their respective location).
10/14/2009 11:06 AM
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When a good player is that close, you have to at least try.

I agree with berm, I'd spend 10-12K the first cycle and then just see what happens.

As has been mentioned, you don't get anything extra for the 70 miles other than he's close. If an A- school from 1000 miles away tried to get him, you'd have the advantage.

Just see who shows up and then decide if you have a realistic chance to win before committing big money.
10/14/2009 11:09 AM
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Yeah, the real tough question is if LSU comes in (I am at Grambling), since they are also somewhat close, and very good in Rupp.
10/14/2009 11:13 AM
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Quote: Originally posted by jpmills3 on 10/14/2009Yeah, the real tough question is if LSU comes in (I am at Grambling), since they are also somewhat close, and very good in Rupp.

Are they deep in that position or do they need a recruit there? How many schollies does LSU have vs. how many do you have? How much extra cash does LSU have for playoff money.

I still say put the $10k in, and then if someone else comes in, try to determine what their bankroll is and see if they are in other battles. If LSU has six schollies and five other players considering him with no battles, then you probably can't win. If LSU only has 2 schollies and has one player considering and is a battle vs. another big time program, they might not have much money to spend to battle.

When deciding to battle, I see how much $ I have to put on the player, then how much money the other team has and if they are in battles to try and see about how much they will have. You will need a decent amount more to coever the prestige difference, but just because you are at a disadvantage, doesn't mean you can't win.
10/14/2009 11:36 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By srunstro on 10/14/2009
As has been mentioned, you don't get anything extra for the 70 miles other than he's close. If an A- school from 1000 miles away tried to get him, you'd have the advantage.

I'd guess a B- at 70 miles would be a coinflip against an A- from 1000 miles, with campus visits being about $810 vs $1375 at those distances.

10/14/2009 12:11 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By berm on 10/14/2009
Quote: Originally posted by jpmills3 on 10/14/2009 Yeah, the real tough question is if LSU comes in (I am at Grambling), since they are also somewhat close, and very good in Rupp.

Are they deep in that position or do they need a recruit there? How many schollies does LSU have vs. how many do you have? How much extra cash does LSU have for playoff money.

I still say put the $10k in, and then if someone else comes in, try to determine what their bankroll is and see if they are in other battles. If LSU has six schollies and five other players considering him with no battles, then you probably can't win. If LSU only has 2 schollies and has one player considering and is a battle vs. another big time program, they might not have much money to spend to battle.

When deciding to battle, I see how much $ I have to put on the player, then how much money the other team has and if they are in battles to try and see about how much they will have. You will need a decent amount more to coever the prestige difference, but just because you are at a disadvantage, doesn't mean you can't win.

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Yeah, he actually has 2 non-senior PG's, so I would think he would be good to go. But he is so well balanced that aside from needing 2 post players, he could add an extra guard no problem.

10/14/2009 12:40 PM
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But I like your idea Berm. And you right, 10K is a good starting point to see who I may be up against.
10/14/2009 12:41 PM
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hmmmm.. I have not found that prestige makes that big of a difference.

you guys are suggesting that an A- from 1000miles away would be a coinflip versus a B- who has the kid in his backyard?

I just have not seen this ever. Since I have an A+ and the cuse, does that mean that I could be battling most teams (B+ and lower) on even footing from a 1000 miles away?

gees that just has not been my experience, nor have i seen any evidence of it in tark.

anyone else have thoughts to offer on this semi-related issue?
10/14/2009 12:56 PM
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You underestimate the power of prestige oldave.
10/14/2009 1:37 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by zhawks on 10/14/2009I don't think that the 70 mile rule helps you out with any added recruiting effort towards a kid (especially now with distance preferences), it helps with kids who are unlikely to talk to you to start but will because they are within the 70 miles. 

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10/14/2009 1:53 PM
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