NT Seedings ...a cluster**** ? Topic

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I have no idea how to fix this but there is a problem in DI seedings when every season I can pick out ~6 teams seeded #3-#6 who I'd rather face in the 1st round than ~6 teams seeded #10-#13. I don't think you can say that in the real tourney.

Good Big 6 conference teams seem to have the higher RPIs. I'd almost rather come into the NT as a bubble team!

Current Smith Example (Team rating):

#3 Bethune Cookman (708) (lost by 6 to Boston College)

#3 Sacramento St. (730) (won by 4 over Michigan)

#4 Robert Morris (710) (lost by 3 to Oklahoma)

#5 Montana (705) (won by 13 over Fresno St.)

#6 Chicago St. (730) (lost by7 to Wake Forest)

Compared to

#10 Stanford (769) (lost by 7 to Evansville)

#11 Wake Forest (778) (won by 7 over Chicago St)

#12 Arizona St (791) (won by 12 over Northwestern)

#12 Arizona (777) (lost by 17 to Ohio St)

#13 Oklahoma (780) (won by 3 over Robert Morris)

#14 Michigan (774) (lost by 4 to Sacramento St)
10/15/2009 11:25 AM
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If you want more seeding fun look at

#8 Seeded Virginia (17-12 38 RPI, 38 SOS)

and compare them to

#11 seeded Illinois (17-10 37 RPI, 37 SOS)

and explain that to me too.
10/15/2009 12:14 PM
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But if you look at the SEC in Smith its the perfect example of the problem.

Three #1 seeds
One #8 seed
One #10 seed
Two #14 seeds

The lower seeds are all lower because they took more losses to the 3 #1s.

If this were real life the #8 would be a #4, the #10 a #6 and the two 14s would be in the 10-12 range. Instead the midmajors with more wins get seeded higher and the second tier teams from the top conferences get midrange seeds.
10/15/2009 12:19 PM
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I'm not agreeing with how it is done, but my VA squad is ranked #22, so that must have made an impact.
10/15/2009 12:29 PM
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How about UCLA 19-8 with 16 RPI, what do you think their seed is? If you guess 7, you'd be correct!
10/15/2009 12:40 PM
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In Phelan last season, my Oklahoma State team was 17-10, 23 RPI, 20 SOS, and we got a 13-seed.
10/15/2009 12:45 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By professor17 on 10/15/2009
In Phelan last season, my Oklahoma State team was 17-10, 23 RPI, 20 SOS, and we got a 13-seed.
the 10 losses is what killed your seed. plus what place did you end up in your conference and how many games did you win in your CT? Those things matter.
10/15/2009 1:01 PM
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You guys do realize in real life RPI isn't the only thing that matters? It's a nice starting point but one of those MVC teams got out the tourney with a 29 RPI a few years back. If that happened in HD that coach would be up in arms and claiming that would never happen in real life.
10/15/2009 1:13 PM
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Interesting z :

VA - Tied for Conf champ, CT final

Ill - 2nd in conf, had bye but lost in quaterfinal

You might be on to something. I didn't think the Conf. tourney mattered that much.
10/15/2009 1:16 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 10/15/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By professor17 on 10/15/2009
In Phelan last season, my Oklahoma State team was 17-10, 23 RPI, 20 SOS, and we got a 13-seed.
the 10 losses is what killed your seed. plus what place did you end up in your conference and how many games did you win in your CT? Those things matter.



All of those things worked against me, no doubt. And I'm not arguing that they shouldn't matter. I'd just never seen a team get placed 7 seed lines lower than what their RPI would indicate. To me that seemed an over-adjustment. I would not have been happy to have been the 4-seed that drew me in the 1st round.
10/15/2009 1:18 PM
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I have always noticed that teams with double digit losses tend to lose at least 4-5 seedlines from their rpi, especially if there are other teams in their rpi area that have better records.

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9 seed.
10/15/2009 1:26 PM
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Have a feeling that I will be over-seeded come Crum tourney time (assuming I stay on my present course) ... Mid Majors or Smaller conference schools seem to get a "better" shake when the seedings come out...

As wonderful and fun as this game is, the human factor of seeding is something that will never be incorporated into the game, unless the designers "hand-pick" the tourney teams...
10/15/2009 1:28 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 10/15/2009
I have always noticed that teams with double digit losses tend to lose at least 4-5 seedlines from their rpi, especially if there are other teams in their rpi area that have better records.

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exactly I have had teams as a 8 or 9 seed that were elite 8 or sw 16 tems but had 10+ losses
10/15/2009 1:32 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by zhawks on 10/15/2009I have always noticed that teams with double digit losses tend to lose at least 4-5 seedlines from their rpi, especially if there are other teams in their rpi area that have better records.

The problem is most times even though the rpi is close, the SOS is not. Right now the system rewards those with weaker schedules.
10/15/2009 1:38 PM
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i have a ticket open on this, I used to send seble info when I saw it happen, his reply was he understood, and will look at it sometime in the future, I think he needs to get the basics of the game written in code he understands, then he can start to fix fix things - going to take a while - we all gotta hope the initial rewrite turns out at least reasonably well
10/15/2009 1:43 PM
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