Agreed. If they are not 0(0), they should be showing SOME improvement every cycle.

Were they used as position players by the previous owner? I seem to recall that pitchers don't recover normally from fatigue caused by having to play the field for extended periods of time.

They were used as position players. They are pretty much trashed for the season now.

They were used as position players and that was the reason for fatigue it turns out. WIS fixed them since it wasn't me who caused the issue... (thank you)

Still, I think the gameplay is messed up if a pitcher forced to play the field a few days can no longer pitch another game that season. It may not be a bug, but it seems wrong to me.

Good to know that WIS will fix things like this, provided you're a replacement owner.

If you do it to yourself, you should have to live with it.

That happen to me. I had a pitcher on one of my minor league teams that got around 90 At Bats before I noticed I only had 8 active hitters. Because of those 90 ABs he was too fatigued to pitch for the whole season. You can see season 13 he did not pitch, but he has hitting stats.

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Good? That could be debated. Think alias abuse.

Quote: Originally posted by tecwrg on 12/07/2009Good to know that WIS will fix things like this, provided you're a replacement owner.If you do it to yourself, you should have to live with it.

That makes no sense to me. If you have a pitcher get 50-100 ABS on the season he should be too fatigued to pitch all year long? That is just trying to justify a obvious unrealistic flaw. Your punishment should be that you have a pitcher who cannot hit in your lineup, not some unrealistic outcome of being too fatigued to pitch 100 games.

If a pitcher gets a 100 AB as a position player, it's because you didn't have a full team. How can YOU justify that?

Quote: Originally posted by MikeT23 on 12/07/2009If a pitcher gets a 100 AB as a position player, it's because you didn't have a full team.   How can YOU justify that?

I am not trying to justify that. I screwed up and did not notice that I only had 8 active position players, I am not making any excuses or trying to justify that it happen......

What I am saying is that a pitcher that gets 93 ABS should not be too fatigued to pitch for 100 games. That is unrealistic, and if you back that as a game option then you have no ground to stand on when you claim anything to be unrealistic, because nothing is as unrealistic as this scenario.

Well, there are consequences to not paying attention. That is one of them. If it didn't exist, everyone like you would just sign tryout camp pitchers to complete their rosters.

This situation is a by-product of the different ways position player durability and pitcher durability are handled. Same thing that keeps that 30 dur C from that many ABs is keeping your pitcher from seeing the field. I'd be interested to see what happens if you force him to the mound in a game. Would that jolt him out of the other recovery cycle and back to a pitcher's, or would the position-player one act as a ceiling of sorts?

Quote: Originally posted by MikeT23 on 12/07/2009Well, there are consequences to not paying attention.  That is one of them.   If it didn't exist, everyone like you would just sign tryout camp pitchers to complete their rosters.

I can still go out and sign a roster full of tryout camp pitchers and let them hit. What does that have to do with this? You think punishing a coach by making a pitcher too fatigued all season long is going to stop someone who does not care?

The consequences should be realistic. Pitchers don't hit very well, that is why they pitch instead of hit. To make up something that is outrageously unrealistic should not be considered a option.

Quote: Originally Posted By chazzzzzz on 12/07/2009
This situation is a by-product of the different ways position player durability and pitcher durability are handled. Same thing that keeps that 30 dur C from that many ABs is keeping your pitcher from seeing the field. I'd be interested to see what happens if you force him to the mound in a game. Would that jolt him out of the other recovery cycle and back to a pitcher's, or would the position-player one act as a ceiling of sorts?

No, it wouldn't. I've tried that with some of the teams I've picked up in mid-season.

Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 12/07/2009Good? That could be debated. Think alias abuse.

I would think that somebody who was careless enough to allow this to happen in the first place wouldn't give a crap enough to create an alias just to fix it.