Seems I have an extreme viewpoint about them.

I don't care. A point here, a point there, a point everywhere doesn't bother me. If I want a player off my BL roster, I don't deem him valuable enough to worry if his control drops from 74 to 72. He's just not good enough to get all excited over.

Does anyone else share my viewpoint?

Pretty much.

Naturally if it's somebody I'm willing to deal, I explore a trade before doing something that will damage the player's marketability.

Quote: Originally posted by Braziman on 3/02/2010Pretty much. Naturally if it's somebody I'm willing to deal, I explore a trade before doing something that will damage the player's marketability.

That second sentence is especially good insight.

I think that goes without saying. Of course, if a player is expendable to you, it's not like he's an MVP candidate. And, if he's a MVP candidate and you can't find a place for him on your 25 man roster, you probably aren't worried if he drops from 99/99/99/99/99 to 98/98/98/98/98 upon demotion.

zbrent, are you really going to carry that over? The n00b said he tried to trade him and there were no takers. DFA/demote doesn't matter if you take the n00b at his word. Apparently you think he's a liar. I think he's a future tanker.

Aside from the other thread entirely, it's still good insight.

If the guy isn't valuable enough to you to care any demotion hit, it's safe to say he has no real role for you at the BL level. He may, however, still have some role for another franchise. Before doing anything that hurts his marketability, it just makes sense to see if you can identify that other franchise and deal him there. Even if you get only a younger version of that fringe player back in return, it's a win-win for both owners.

And, after you've explored your trade options, what do you do? Explore some more?

Quote: Originally posted by MikeT23 on 3/02/2010And, after you've explored your trade options, what do you do?   Explore some more? 

Then I figure out what mistake I made in evaluating the guy in the first place (because he shouldn't have made it to the ML for me), and demote him (assuming he has options), never expecting him to contribute at the ML level again.

I agree with the demotion hits, if you care that much, dont promote too quick where youll need to demote someone with a future....I have more of a problem with the ratings hits caused by injuries. I think they are too extreme a lot of the time.

As an example, If a pitcher has tendonitis and goes on the DL for 70 days, he shouldnt lose multiple points that it will take seasons to get back (if he is young and if at all) and ruin a player that is say, over 27. Once tendonitis heals, it doesnt efffct a pitcher, at least not that much.

This is about demotions, domi. Take your injury whining elsewhere. HBD doesn't have nearly the injuries that occur in the real world.

Sure, zbrent. If you think so little of a player that you'll trade him for nothing or hope he gets claimed on waivers, you probably did make a mistake somewhere. So it's very reasonable to never expect him to contribute at the BL level again. Or, if he does due to an "emergency", you should probably understand that him losing a point in contact and VR didn't render him entirely useless.

If I'm going to demote somebody, he probably isn't good enough for me to care about a penalty.

That being said, I'm very anal about the way I run my team. I view my players as a portfolio of commodities with varying values, and I do everything I can to keep the net value at a max. That includes not demoting ML quality players when I have other options.

• Trade
• Designate and waive
• Minors if he's not eating the time of a player that may make it
• Release, and get your $327k if you can

That's the order. You are welcome.

This is all generally true, but there are times when a player you are going to send down may have value in the future:

1) You need an extra arm in the pen (overestimated the innings your guys could give you). So you send down your last pp, hoping to bring him back up after roster expansion, or you send down a low sta/dur guy from the pen for a better sta/dur guy with worse stuff, again, hoping to bring him back later.

2) You make a deadline trade for a star-quality rent-a-player to get over the hump in your division, and need to demote an okay ML player to make room on the roster. He may not be your worst ML pp, but because of roster composition he may be the guy who has to be sent down.

3) You are lucky enough to find a pretty solid LRB on waivers, who is pretty much a wash with your current LRB, only the new guy is out of options, and your current guy isn't, so you do what you have to do.

In these sorts of situations, I would worry about the demotion hit (perhaps demote the guy with better makeup if I had a choice). Probably rare (once a season, maybe), but it happens.

All three situations can be handled if you realize at point here and there isn't going to destroy a BL player's ability to be a BL player. And, if it does, he wasn't a BL player anyway.