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oriolemagic
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Richie Broome doesnt have a fastball listed in his pitches but has an 86 velocity... Does that explain his lack of strikeouts?
6/4/2010 9:36 AM
deanod
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Nope, the real problem is that his pitches suck.
6/4/2010 9:48 AM
strikeout26
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For one thing, he does have a fastball. A sinker and 2-seam fastball are the exact same pitches. For another thing, pitches are purely cosmetic. They don't have any impact on performance. I would attribute his lack of K's to his pitch quality. He has two average pitches, but nothing that can really be considered a knockout pitch.
6/4/2010 9:49 AM
strikeout26
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Lol, like Deanod said.

6/4/2010 9:50 AM
oriolemagic
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While technically you throw the ball with two seems, a sinker is still a different pitch then a fastball, and is not generally considered a strikeout pitch.
6/4/2010 10:14 AM
strikeout26
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A sinker and a 2-seam are the exact same pages. It is two different names for the same pitch.
6/4/2010 12:08 PM
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Strikeout is correct.
6/4/2010 12:49 PM
oriolemagic
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No he is not. A sinker is thrown with a more downward motion then a 2-seam fastball.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-seam_fastball

"similar to the sinker" its not the same pitch.
6/4/2010 1:42 PM
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for the purposes of HBD, it doesn't matter what the name of the pitch is.

for the purposes of HBD, if a guy has an Eephus as his #1 named pitch and that pitch is 90 rated, he'll get K's with it. If it is rated 60, he won't.
6/4/2010 1:45 PM
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A 2-seam fastball and a sinker are not the exact same pitch.
6/4/2010 1:49 PM
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A standard sinker and a 2-seam fastball are the same pitch.

Many "sinker" pitchers vary the grip and pressure points slightly to obtain different movements.
6/4/2010 1:55 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By soxfan121 on 6/04/2010for the purposes of HBD, it doesn't matter what the name of the pitch is.

for the purposes of HBD, if a guy has an Eephus as his #1 named pitch and that pitch is 90 rated, he'll get K's with it. If it is rated 60, he won't.
+1
6/4/2010 1:55 PM
strikeout26
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Quote: Originally posted by jvford on 6/04/2010A standard sinker and a 2-seam fastball are the same pitch.  Many "sinker" pitchers vary the grip and pressure points slightly to obtain different movements.
exactly. every pitcher throws there sinker aka 2-seam fastball differently.
6/4/2010 2:00 PM
strikeout26
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Quote: Originally posted by oriolemagic on 6/04/2010No he is not. A sinker is thrown with a more downward motion then a 2-seam fastball.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-seam_fastball

"similar to the sinker" its not the same pitch.
when did wikipedia become a reliable source to learn pitching?
6/4/2010 2:02 PM
usfbully
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Quote: Originally Posted By strikeout26 on 6/04/2010
Quote: Originally posted by oriolemagic on 6/04/2010 No he is not. A sinker is thrown with a more downward motion then a 2-seam fastball.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-seam_fastball

"similar to the sinker" its not the same pitch.
when did wikipedia become a reliable source to learn pitching


When did a random alias on a message board become one?
6/4/2010 2:09 PM
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