Is it just me, or does it seem that guys are not improving as much as they used to? I am wondering what everyone else is seeing.

correct, this is part of the new engine

So this means the guy that I landed and started around a 390 rating is likely gonna end up in the mid 400's when he graduates?!?! How is he gonna help my team. Really not liking this at all.

So is there a ceiling of limited growth now?

This is a little frustrating. I already have spoken to a coach who played before and came back this year that won't be renewing due to this. If guys can't improve, how does your team?

I think it was said that guys improve more slowly but do so over a longer period of time. In real life guys still improve immensely through their senior year (they are only 22 years old after all) and under the previous engine I think player development slowed down a lot when players were seniors. So now that growth will just continue to happen and by the time a player graduates he will be around what he would have been under the old engine.

Please correct me if I'm wrong but that's what I remember reading.

the guy youre talking about will improve faster when hes actually getting playing time

the ceiling is still the player's potential, which [i think?] should be generally higher with the new recruits

pretty much

So, he improves like a Senior as a Freshman, A Junior when he is a Sophomore and so on?

Quote: Originally Posted By dshook30 on 6/07/2010
So this means the guy that I landed and started around a 390 rating is likely gonna end up in the mid 400's when he graduates?!?! How is he gonna help my team. Really not liking this at all.

So is there a ceiling of limited growth now?

This is a little frustrating. I already have spoken to a coach who played before and came back this year that won't be renewing due to this. If guys can't improve, how does your team?

What is his potential?

His potential is:

HIGH - conditioning/BH/FT

AVERAGE- def/SB/SPD/LP/PER/ATH/REB

LIMITED - PASS

In times past, high could see 8-11 points higher. AVE could mean 4-6 pts. Maybe 1 or 2 in limited.

So, he gets better when I'm forced to play him?

If he is a senior, right now, chances are better than even that he is tapped out

FYI, Iba/Tark/Phelan did not practice overnight. Those improvements will happen shortly.

No no, he's a freshman. and I was just using him as an example. I am just wondering.

I am hearing everyone say that he will improve like seniors used to improve when he a freshman. Next season, he will improve like a junior as a soph. Then when a junior he improve as sophomores did previously and then the big improvement comes when he is a senior, when he gets better like freshman used to.

Now, that is of course if you play him. Or, his playing time increases as he moves up in class.

What has always happened in the past is that by the time he is a junior I have to practice him at things that are not big necessities. IE LP and REB for a SG. So, he will not "MAX OUT" on his high potential's until he is a senior?

Quote: Originally Posted By dshook30 on 6/07/2010
His potential is:

HIGH - conditioning/BH/FT

AVERAGE- def/SB/SPD/LP/PER/ATH/REB

LIMITED - PASS

In times past, high could see 8-11 points higher. AVE could mean 4-6 pts. Maybe 1 or 2 in limited.

So, he gets better when I'm forced to play him?

High will be 20+ for his career, average 7-20 for career, low less than 7 for his career.

His rate of improvement will increase when he gets more PT, but as was mentioned the rate of improvement has been toned down, so he will likely reach his max potential sometime during his SR season, as opposed to early in his JR season, which was the point of the adjustment.

Kirby doesn't look too unusual, without knowing your practice plan.

Quote: Originally Posted By dshook30 on 6/07/2010
No no, he's a freshman. and I was just using him as an example. I am just wondering.

I am hearing everyone say that he will improve like seniors used to improve when he a freshman. Next season, he will improve like a junior as a soph. Then when a junior he improve as sophomores did previously and then the big improvement comes when he is a senior, when he gets better like freshman used to.

Now, that is of course if you play him. Or, his playing time increases as he moves up in class.

What has always happened in the past is that by the time he is a junior I have to practice him at things that are not big necessities. IE LP and REB for a SG. So, he will not "MAX OUT" on his high potential's until he is a senior?

He'll reach the same levels of improvement - or more, but at a lower pace, so he will max out hopefully sometime in his senior year.

I sincerely doubt it, but I would hope that there is a greater increase in player improvement between seasons. This is typically the case for a lot of RL players since most colleges practice through the summer non-officially. Not to mention players studying, growing up more, etc. You see the largest bumps in players between seasons - just not in WIS.

In the perfect world any returning player would see a more significant increase the further their team went in the NT conference. You always hear how valuable "tournament experience" is for a player but it's not translated here.

Second to that, it would be interesting to have another bump in the off-season for players who return most if not all of their team. Specifically, if a team has no SR's and returns 12 players the following year all players are able to practice together and build stronger camaraderie - most teams like this in college ball tend to be much better season-to-season when they return everyone. You will see a larger comfort level and likely see a larger bump in OFF/DEC knowledge with them working together. On the flip, if you have a team that loses 7 players chances are morale is low, they are going through a rebuild and returning players are going to be less motivated and the learning curve is slower with a lot of new players needing to learn the off/def playbooks. Thus you aren't going to see a significant bump between seasons.