You honestly believe there are no players with a sense of entitlement who moan that they can't "get theirs"? Coaches will often recruit career benchwarmers and still fill their heads with notions of big NBA paydays. There are tons of players in college who weren't explicitly guaranteed minutes but will still complain when they don't get them.

Posted by colonels19 on 8/6/2010 10:34:00 AM (view original):
I'm saying what's going on in HD is and has been a bit of an epidemic, and really has no place in the game. If the guy is the 3rd best PG or C on my team, he should UNDERSTAND that, shut the hell up, and wait for my seniors to graduate...that simple.

Uh, no.

Guys get ****** off about PT all the time in real life. It's not even remotely unrealistic for someone to get upset about this -- particulalry since no freshman ever gets upset unless they've been promised minutes. I can't remember the last time I had a player get upset about minutes. If this keeps happening to you, I think you need to revisit how you're building your team and/or recruiting, because you shouldn't be having lots of non-freshmen that aren't even in your top 10 players.

What I would say is that it shouldn't be so formulaic, it would be better if it was more tied in to the player's personality. But that is about #1,037 on list of improvements.

seeing as you're 11-1, and blowing people out, why don't you set your team game-plan to play scrubs when you're winning big?  or, when you know you're playing a bad team (of which there are many in your conference), move the sophs to 2nd team?  this is generally very easy to fix.

and i agree with daalter -- this is low, low, low on the list of things of "improvements" for WIS to make (to the extent it needs to be improved at all, which i don't believe it does).

welcome to DI - DI is completely different than other levels, you will get more complaining.  you just need to learn how to manuever your depth chart around.  put a guy up to #2 for a game or two, get his minutes up, then move him back down.  instead of whining and complaining that something should be taken from the game, learn how it is used.  also, if you take walk-ons, they will not complain either.  all players at that level want playing time.  if i remember correctly, sophomores want about 10 minutes per game.

also, as jons said - set your backups to play more in blowouts.  you have 7 games that those 2 guys would of played quite a bit and they would not be complaining

" In real life, both of these guys would understand that they aren't as good as the guys ahead of them, and that next year, they WILL BE playing a lot more than this year."

No... in real life, that would be the CASE, but they wouldn't necessarily understand it. Some guys do understand it. Others don't. There are a lot of guys who think they're the sh*t because they got recruited by a D1 school and were probably gods at whatever high school they went to. They all want to start, and some of them have selfish and defective personalities that lead them to complain about playing time whenever they don't start immediately. Unreasonable expectations? Yes, but in this game, they correlate well with real life. Look at a guy like Derrick Caracter when he was at Louisville-- you don't think there are tons of players who act unreasonable when they're benched, even if they deserve it?

Posted by colonels19 on 8/6/2010 10:51:00 AM (view original):
As usual, you go spouting off at the mouth to which you don't know entirely what's going on. This is my 2nd season at D1 South Carolina State. I have 6 seniors, 3 juniors, 2 sophomores, and a freshman. The 2 SOs are the ones that are griping because they're both 3rd on their respective depth charts and rightfully so. What am I supposed to do, play them regardless while I risk losing games? That's preposterous. In real life, both of these guys would understand that they aren't as good as the guys ahead of them, and that next year, they WILL BE playing a lot more than this year. To randomly expect 8 minutes per game because seble says so, doesn't sit well with me, ESPECIALLY said when he said he was going to lessen this. At this stage, playing both of those guys 8MPG is detrimental to my team...why shouldn't I be able to run with my best lineup without consequence?

Unless you're John Wall, Kevin Durant, etc...younger players don't play as much as older players, it's just an accepted fact of life...especially in a game with concrete ratings where you know who's better and who isn't.

Again, aside from breaking minute promises, this has no place in the game. You can argue that it makes it more realistic...I'll argue that it makes the game unnecessarily more complex and consequently less fun/more aggravating.

There's a fine line between realism and ridiculousness.

Yes, I'm the one that goes spouting off at the mouth without knowing what's going on.

You're a ******* idiot.

In real life, you're 100% wrong, players just don't simply say, "the guys ahead of me are better, I'm going to sit quietly at the end of the bench". Many, many players in that situation either (a) rightly or wrongly, think they're better than the guy ahead of them or (b) don't really care, they simply want to play. Not everyone, of course, but plenty of guys.

If you think otherwise, you clearly haven't spent any time around a college basketball or football team. It's the nature of the beast -- most guys riding the bench are unhappy about it.

Posted by johnsensing on 8/6/2010 11:20:00 AM (view original):
seeing as you're 11-1, and blowing people out, why don't you set your team game-plan to play scrubs when you're winning big?  or, when you know you're playing a bad team (of which there are many in your conference), move the sophs to 2nd team?  this is generally very easy to fix.

and i agree with daalter -- this is low, low, low on the list of things of "improvements" for WIS to make (to the extent it needs to be improved at all, which i don't believe it does).

It is very low on the list of improvements, but I do think there should be a little more variability.  I think there should be some kids who aren't going to complain no matter what - they are simply happy to be at whatever college for free, and I think there should be some sophs who will get upset with less than 15 minutes.

I'd also like to see kids who start as FR, but go back to a backup role as a SO complain more - regardless of minutes.

is there any correlation between those behavior type notes that apparently used to be relevant because of dilemmas in the evals and predicting a kid's likelihood for this kind of behavior? ie, is the $20 on the ground kid less likely to *****?

Have played different sports at various levels and have rarely been on a team that didn't have a player or two with totally unrealistic views of their talent level compared to others. Thanks to all those participation ribbons for improving one's self esteem and self importance.;)

Posted by johnsensing on 8/6/2010 11:20:00 AM (view original):
seeing as you're 11-1, and blowing people out, why don't you set your team game-plan to play scrubs when you're winning big?  or, when you know you're playing a bad team (of which there are many in your conference), move the sophs to 2nd team?  this is generally very easy to fix.

and i agree with daalter -- this is low, low, low on the list of things of "improvements" for WIS to make (to the extent it needs to be improved at all, which i don't believe it does).

I do do have both winning and losing by a ton checked. I shouldn't have to maneuver my lineup around to pacify 2 guys who should know that they're justifiably 3rd on their respective depth charts.

Daalter, I got banned for personal attacks, and I'll be damned if I'm going to let a guy with you get away with the same, that's why you were redlined...just saying.

Again, there is a fine line between realism and ridiculousness. In this case, HD is too complex for it's own good...it should be on the outs just as grades should. Show me one person that would be ****** if they ELIMINATED players who weren't promised anything, griping/leaving, because I'd love to see it.