I have a D3 team that made the NT for 14 straight years including 8 Sweet 16s, 4 Elite 8s and one Final Four.  I had five freshmen this year and missed the NT, but made the PT.  The last four years have been Elite 8, Final Four, Sweet Sixteen and this year.  My prestige dropped from an A+ to a B+ because I made the PT one year?  Is that normal to have such a big drop?

Normal to have a drop, but I agree that drop is too large. Prestige at the lower levels moves far too easily (up and down), always has. Hang in there, another good year like the others and you'll jump back up.

(But I will say that I think your example is persuasive enough to send them a ticket ... I can't imagine that seble thinks that makes sense.)

one bit of data that you should add to your ticket is what your team did in the 5th season - the one that dropped OUT of the 4 season window - the Elite 8 and Final Four each got a year older and got less weight - whatever you did in the 5th year drops out of the calculation

and need to look at how the conference did, was it a bad year for the conference - that would add a nudge down

Talk about perhaps a tad confusing to me:

Yeah, I missed the NT, but What cycled off was a PT second year loss and replaced it with a PT Championship, Is the PT Championship THAT much less prestige than a first or second round NT loss?

29	arssanguinus	21-12	9-7	9-4	3-1	11-5		58	B+	PI Champion
28	arssanguinus	23-8	8-6	11-1	4-1	13-3		47	A-	Conf Champion CT Champion NT (2nd Round)
27	arssanguinus	21-8	9-4	11-2	1-2	14-2		38	A-	Conf Champion NT At-large Bid NT (1st Round)
26	arssanguinus	23-7	8-5	13-0	2-2	12-4	24	30	A-	NT At-large Bid NT (2nd Round)
25	arssanguinus	19-10	10-5	9-4	0-1	12-4		71	A-	PI (2nd Round)

 

Posted by mamxet on 9/24/2010 7:55:00 AM (view original):
one bit of data that you should add to your ticket is what your team did in the 5th season - the one that dropped OUT of the 4 season window - the Elite 8 and Final Four each got a year older and got less weight - whatever you did in the 5th year drops out of the calculation

and need to look at how the conference did, was it a bad year for the conference - that would add a nudge down

Conference success only matters in DI.

Thanks for the tips.  What dropped off was a second round NT loss.  The conference was good this year with one Final Four and another team that made the Elite Eight.  Here's the way mine broke down and I've been at an A+ for seven straight seasons.

46	usjgt	16-13	9-2	6-10	1-1	10-6		82	B+	PI (1st Round)
45	usjgt	27-4	11-1	13-1	3-2	15-1	14	9	A+	Conf Champion NT At-large Bid NT (Sweet 16)
44	usjgt	31-3	12-0	12-2	7-1	16-0	3	5	A+	Conf Champion CT Champion NT (Final Four)
43	usjgt	28-5	11-0	11-4	6-1	15-1	6	2	A+	Conf Champion CT Champion NT (Elite 8)
42	usjgt	24-7	9-2	11-4	4-1	16-0	19	25	A+	Conf Champion CT Champion NT (2nd Round)

Forgot one thing...and in addition...I had the number one recruiting class in D3 last season, too.

Posted by girt25 on 9/24/2010 8:27:00 AM (view original):

Posted by mamxet on 9/24/2010 7:55:00 AM (view original):
one bit of data that you should add to your ticket is what your team did in the 5th season - the one that dropped OUT of the 4 season window - the Elite 8 and Final Four each got a year older and got less weight - whatever you did in the 5th year drops out of the calculation

and need to look at how the conference did, was it a bad year for the conference - that would add a nudge down

Conference success only matters in DI.

sorry, yes, forgot

I think B+ makes sense.

(According to CS) a first round NT loss automatically drops a team from A+.  So a rock solid A+ team that gets upset in the first round is going to be a A level prestige.

Compared that that hypothetical team, (1) your A+ prestige probably wasn't as good.  It's a very solid A+ but it's not as dominate as others. (2) You failed to make the NT altogether, (3) your RPI suggests that you weren't really on the NT bubble, and (4) you had 13 losses which the prestige equation isn't going to like.

I'd say those four factors in the last sentence could not prestige down another two grades compared to that rock solid A+ team that got upset in NT round one.  I'd hope you're a high B+ but dropping from A+ to B+ seems reasonable.

Thanks for the explanation, kujayhawk, but it's still an illogical system.  Two teams in my league made the NT for the first time in forever and both had great runs this one year and now both of them have higher prestiges than a program that goes for 14 straight years and misses once.  That doesn't make sense.  Just another reason why I'm playing out the seasons I've already paid for and calling it quits.  Thanks again for the details.

Are you talking about Adrian?  They went sweet sixteen last year in addition to  this year's final four run.

Finlandia?  They have a b to your b+ Prestige, how are they higher?


Calvin?   Three twenty + win seasons in the last three including a 30 - 3 elite eight with a six RPI in the last(And heaviest weighted) season. (and second round pT last year)

46	sideshow214e	30-3	9-1	15-1	6-1	15-1	6	5	A	Conf Champion CT Champion NT (Elite 8)
45	sideshow214e	23-7	10-4	12-2	1-1	15-1		65	B-	Conf Champion PI (2nd Round)
44	sideshow214e	15-13	8-4	6-8	1-1	12-4		127	C	Conf Champion
43	sideshow214e	20-7	10-3	10-3	0-1	11-5		100	C+	Conf Champion

You think a team that goes 30 - 3 with an elite eight run and a top five ranking is not going to be  hotspot for recruits?

No not really, it's a fluke season teams don't build traditions off of 1 fluke season. No way a team should go from B- to A off 1 great season. That school has better prestige with 1 good season than a school who had 1 bad season in the last 15, that makes no sense. As much as people ***** about baseline prestige it actually makes the prestige system at D1 much more accurate than the lower levels, 1 great season doesn't boost you too much and 1 bad season doesn't hurt you too much, as it should be.

On the other hand, I would be for extending the window and don't see why the d2 and d3 prestige systems should be different from d1.

This is D3...

49	jerkstore33	26-4	8-0	15-3	3-1	16-0	16	13	A+	Conf Champion CT Champion NT (1st Round)
48	jerkstore33	25-5	12-1	11-2	2-2	14-2	17	7	A+	NT At-large Bid NT (1st Round)
47	jerkstore33	24-7	10-1	11-4	3-2	15-1		11	A+	Conf Champion NT At-large Bid NT (2nd Round)
46	jerkstore33	26-3	12-0	13-1	1-2	16-0	8	2	A+	Conf Champion NT At-large Bid NT (1st Round)

As a previous poster said, it's one great season.  Let's put it in real life terms.  Take the SEC.  For example, Kentucky goes to the tourney 14 straight times, then the NIT once.  Two other teams in the SEC- let's say Georgia and Auburn - not traditional powers but have three good seasons and one great one.  Which school is the most prestigious?  The one with a long running tradition spanning 15 seasons or the two that have had one great season and a few other decent ones?  So, yeah I'm talking about Calvin and Adrian - great teams this year, but over the course of time, there is no comparison in terms of prestige.  By arssanguinus' logic, in C-USA in real life, UTEP is a more prestigious basketball program than Memphis.  Surely, you don't believe that.