Forgive the depth-chart like question, but I really am lost on how to use a player on my D3 team.

Here are the ratings for my team's guards:

Name	Yr.	Pos.	A	SPD	REB	DE	BLK	LP	PE	BH	P	WE	ST	DU	FT	TOT
Joseph Washington	Sr.	PG	31	77	10	66	14	12	45	67	81	42	90	59	C	594
Eddie Shoemaker	Jr.	PG	65	88	2	60	5	19	42	67	50	48	89	47	B	582
Ralph Bryant	So.	PG	30	79	2	22	2	28	49	69	55	26	81	26	B+	469
Samuel Bellamy	Jr.	SG	43	47	9	66	5	21	56	61	86	28	84	80	C-	586
David Pangle	Fr.	SG	21	52	3	25	3	41	37	47	12	40	70	46	B-	397

And IQ:

Name	Yr.	Pos.	Flex	Motion	Triangle	Fastbreak	Man	Zone	Press
Joseph Washington	Sr.	PG	A-	C	D-	D-	D-	A-	B
Eddie Shoemaker	Jr.	PG	B+	D-	D-	D	D-	B+	D+
Ralph Bryant	So.	PG	B-	D+	F	F	F	B	F
Samuel Bellamy	Jr.	SG	A-	D-	D+	D-	D-	A-	B-
David Pangle	Fr.	SG	C+	F	F	F	C-	D+	F

I have no idea what to make of Samuel Bellamy.  His speed is 47.

Bellamy has the (tied for) best IQ of my guards.  He's more athletic than most.  He has the (tied for) best defensive rating.  He has a better combination of perimeter, ball handling, and passing than anybody.  His poor rebounding rating is less terrible than most of the other guards.  And his speed is 47.

I can't figure out where to put him on the depth chart.  Part of me thinks he maybe deserves to start and part of me thinks he shouldn't be playing.  And when he is on the court I have no idea what to do with his distribution.  He has the best perimeter shooting rating on the team.  And his speed is 47.

It doesn't help that Bellamy's work ethic is poor.  It means his IQ advantage isn't as large as it should be.  And it means that he's probably going to leave some potential on the table before he graduates.  At the start of the season (we're 5 games into Allen), the Player Thoughts email indicated limited upside for athleticism, low post, and free throw rating.  Everything else was medium growth.  Which does mean that the speed rating has room to grow.  But it wasn't high potential when I signed him with a speed rating of 37.  At best, the speed is going to max at 56.

If anybody has advice on depth chart and/or distribution I'd appreciate it.  I haven't had a guard this slow on my team since my first couple of seasons recruiting and even then there wasn't nearly this large of a discrepancy.

Play him at SF?  He has the LP to do it and having that much passing ability at the 3 spot would really help any offense.  

he's not thaaaaat slow. he is for your team, but you don't run press, so it's mitigated somewhat... Get him lots of practice in Conditioning, REB, and LP. PLay him at backup PG behund Washington, and 2nd or 3rd string SF, depending on what else you have there.

Just be yourself.  Ba dun dun, chhhh.  

If you have good rebounding big men, his rebounding wouldn't hurt too terribly at sf.  Certainly not in a backup role.

My first season at Rochester I signed a guard who never reached 40 speed.  Ended up in the high 30s in speed and athleticism.  He started at SG for 4 years and graduated as the leading scorer in school history.  He had 70+ Per/BH/P for most of it and ended up higher than that.  We also played a triangle offense, which I would expect to be most forgiving of an excellent shooter with low speed.

Neito does well for me with only a forty speed.

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(only reason the field goal percentage is low is that he shoots mostly threes.) and yes he plays in triangle.

Also, a very nicely nationally-recruited d3 team.  Always wondered what it would be like to recruit nationally, still don't have the confidence to do it.

Posted by tkimble on 10/27/2010 8:53:00 PM (view original):
Also, a very nicely nationally-recruited d3 team.  Always wondered what it would be like to recruit nationally, still don't have the confidence to do it.

There is no way he scouted all those states, or had the money to eval them though. Considering he signed top talent, I'm sure he wasn't guessing at there potentials and signing them blindly.

Those are some strong accusations furry.

Backup PG behind Washington.  Shoemaker starts at SG with Bryant behind him.  Pangle gets garbage time and hopefully has high potential.  Don't like giving him minutes at SF.

Posted by furry_nipps on 10/27/2010 9:41:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tkimble on 10/27/2010 8:53:00 PM (view original):
Also, a very nicely nationally-recruited d3 team.  Always wondered what it would be like to recruit nationally, still don't have the confidence to do it.

There is no way he scouted all those states, or had the money to eval them though. Considering he signed top talent, I'm sure he wasn't guessing at there potentials and signing them blindly.

It's possible that he strategically recruited nationally by hitting states that don't have any or very few teams via FSS, such as Hawaii, Alaska, and from the look of his team, Arizona, Nebraska, etc. 

Also, some he could have FSS'ed by waiting until after signings had started and they were cheaper?

Thanks for the thoughts guys, any ideas on distribution?  Seems silly to not have my best perimeter rating shoot the ball, but I admit to being quite hesitant to pull the trigger.

And funny, I didn't read furry nips post as an accusation.  (Although upon re-reading it, it was.)  Suppose I need to "defend" myself.

Not sure if this will work as a defense or not, but if you look at my team, you'll see that my "national" recruiting excludes the entire northeast corner of the US, which just happens to have the most recruits.  My team is stuck in Maine and now that most teams know how to do pull downs, I found that getting the cream of the crop often meant getting into battles, which as a D3 team I really want to avoid.

The other three corners of the US are relatively sparse with D3 schools and even more so when you consider human coached teams.  And factor in prestige, and it knocks those schools down a notch as well.  Almost all the A level schools are in the northeast with a couple in the Pacific northwest.

So I don't scout the expense states like New York, Pennsylvania, or the like and instead scout a bunch of cheap states which makes my approach "national".  There have been a couple of times where I've been stretched thin.  Such as what led me to sign Samuel Bellamy (the original point of the thread).  Were I truly recruiting nationally with some nefarious methods, I'd never have signed a guy like Bellamy who had coming out of high school had 37 speed with average potential for growth.  I don't scout the entire country, just a wide geographic region.

The benefit of doing so is that I believe (maybe incorrectly) is that it best allows me to take advantage of my A level prestige.  Recruiting in the Northeast, I can easily be beat by pull downs and/or a rival team within 70 miles.  If I'm competing with a team for a recruit in Hawaii (I have two on my team), the costs to us both are almost for sure equal.  I wait for the drop down and then try to lock a player up with promises.  Other schools are too far away to compete with a relatively moderate recruiting push from me.

And like 4green2 mentions, I use 30-40% of my FSS money after signing start.  I'll pick eight relatively cheap states for starters and if I can't find enough targets and/or my drop down targets get taken away by D2 teams, I'll spread beyond after signings begin.

It's a strategy that has worked well for me now.  But I also believe that if three or four other teams tried to replicate it, I'd be in for a world of hurt.  And if D3 was actually full, there's zero chance of success.  But right now there aren't that many human coaches and they aren't in the places I'm currently scouting.  To flatter myself, I'm employing a Moneyball strategy.  The second I get competition, I'm going to have to rethink things, but for now it's working.

If I were you tkimble, I wouldn't try the same strategy.  Me doing this was in large part based on my team being stuck up in Maine.  You're in a pretty sweet locale for your D3 team so I'd stick with a traditional strategy.