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You got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em, Know when to walk away and know when to run.


Would an 'average' b+ prestige be able to compete on even ground with an 'average' a+ prestige?

 

In other words, say I am going for someone 70 miles from me.  I am a b+.  What range would the a+ school have to be at in order to put my b+ on equal or greater footing? (Not counting exigencies such as total funds available);  presuming similar warchests?

 

I already know pretty much how additional distances effects my costs for various recruiting tools. . .but how much does prestige multiply those efforts?  Trying to get a bit more systematic about being able to figure out who I can and cannot afford to challenge for a given recruit.
 

3/8/2011 11:31 PM (edited)
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You're in D3; the prestige multiplier is very small.  I wouldn't worry about it at all.  If you're at a short 70 miles you probably have a spending advantage over a full letter grade higher at a long 70 miles.
3/9/2011 1:57 AM
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Just have five, potentially six, open slots coming up and trying to figure out how to best leverage them, So I'm looking ahead at the local talent to see who I might be able to pull down.  So in other words, if its a decent distance advantage and I really want the guy, shouldn't back off even if they have that full letter grade Advantage?
3/9/2011 6:24 AM
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If a school with less Schollys goes after him, you will have the money advantage. If the other school is in other battles you will definitely have an advantage. Hard to gauge before you know what your up against. 
3/9/2011 10:46 AM
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Just looking at a few candidates for recruiting ahead of time. ..and I would guess. . the first one is average, and the second is. .what?  Low-high?  Medium high?  I know its not high high but which of the other two?

- Excellent outside shooter - I think he does have some upside if I fine-tune a couple of things on his release.
- Excellent ball handling skills - with the right drills and assuming he's willing to put in the time, I see big upside.


3/9/2011 4:33 PM
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Posted by 4green2 on 3/9/2011 6:24:00 AM (view original):
Just have five, potentially six, open slots coming up and trying to figure out how to best leverage them, So I'm looking ahead at the local talent to see who I might be able to pull down.  So in other words, if its a decent distance advantage and I really want the guy, shouldn't back off even if they have that full letter grade Advantage?
Full letter means nothing. I think the difference between A+ and C- is less than 30% effort in D3, and more like 25% advantage for the A+ team. None of it is tested out, just a personal experience from battling a C- team with A+. 
3/9/2011 4:36 PM
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Posted by 4green2 on 3/9/2011 4:33:00 PM (view original):
Just looking at a few candidates for recruiting ahead of time. ..and I would guess. . the first one is average, and the second is. .what?  Low-high?  Medium high?  I know its not high high but which of the other two?

- Excellent outside shooter - I think he does have some upside if I fine-tune a couple of things on his release.
- Excellent ball handling skills - with the right drills and assuming he's willing to put in the time, I see big upside.


First one is avg. 2nd one is not high-high. Idk if there is a med high or low high, but he's going to gain 20ish in dribbling when maxed out. 
3/9/2011 4:37 PM
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Posted by 4green2 on 3/9/2011 4:33:00 PM (view original):
Just looking at a few candidates for recruiting ahead of time. ..and I would guess. . the first one is average, and the second is. .what?  Low-high?  Medium high?  I know its not high high but which of the other two?

- Excellent outside shooter - I think he does have some upside if I fine-tune a couple of things on his release.
- Excellent ball handling skills - with the right drills and assuming he's willing to put in the time, I see big upside.


there are not 3 sub-levels of potential for high. people talk about low-high, high-high, and high. that is because high is unknown sub potential. high high is the high end response, low high is the low end response. there are only 2 responses for high for every category, 2 for low, 1 for medium.

the bh is low high bh.
3/9/2011 4:37 PM
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Thats funny tiany, that you could give that kind of advice. 
3/9/2011 4:38 PM
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Posted by tianyi7886 on 3/9/2011 4:37:00 PM (view original):
Posted by 4green2 on 3/9/2011 4:33:00 PM (view original):
Just looking at a few candidates for recruiting ahead of time. ..and I would guess. . the first one is average, and the second is. .what?  Low-high?  Medium high?  I know its not high high but which of the other two?

- Excellent outside shooter - I think he does have some upside if I fine-tune a couple of things on his release.
- Excellent ball handling skills - with the right drills and assuming he's willing to put in the time, I see big upside.


First one is avg. 2nd one is not high-high. Idk if there is a med high or low high, but he's going to gain 20ish in dribbling when maxed out. 
could be as high as 27, up to the point of the maxed out email.
3/9/2011 4:38 PM
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Posted by jbrewman1 on 3/9/2011 4:38:00 PM (view original):
Thats funny tiany, that you could give that kind of advice. 
ignore him OP
3/9/2011 4:39 PM
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Posted by coach_billyg on 3/9/2011 4:38:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tianyi7886 on 3/9/2011 4:37:00 PM (view original):
Posted by 4green2 on 3/9/2011 4:33:00 PM (view original):
Just looking at a few candidates for recruiting ahead of time. ..and I would guess. . the first one is average, and the second is. .what?  Low-high?  Medium high?  I know its not high high but which of the other two?

- Excellent outside shooter - I think he does have some upside if I fine-tune a couple of things on his release.
- Excellent ball handling skills - with the right drills and assuming he's willing to put in the time, I see big upside.


First one is avg. 2nd one is not high-high. Idk if there is a med high or low high, but he's going to gain 20ish in dribbling when maxed out. 
could be as high as 27, up to the point of the maxed out email.
+1. High - high min is 28. Low high is 21-27, I believe. 
3/9/2011 4:39 PM
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Posted by 4green2 on 3/9/2011 4:33:00 PM (view original):
Just looking at a few candidates for recruiting ahead of time. ..and I would guess. . the first one is average, and the second is. .what?  Low-high?  Medium high?  I know its not high high but which of the other two?

- Excellent outside shooter - I think he does have some upside if I fine-tune a couple of things on his release.
- Excellent ball handling skills - with the right drills and assuming he's willing to put in the time, I see big upside.


https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?hl=en&key=tvOPjIZ8FEFyc7g1WBgobEg&authkey=CM6bq9cC&hl=en#gid=0

3/10/2011 3:38 AM
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Yah.  SO far mainly looking at the old scoutign reports froma  few guys that went JUco(Can't scout new yet)  And my Prestige went up to a-.  That could be helpful.
3/10/2011 5:49 AM
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Posted by dahsdebater on 3/9/2011 1:57:00 AM (view original):
You're in D3; the prestige multiplier is very small.  I wouldn't worry about it at all.  If you're at a short 70 miles you probably have a spending advantage over a full letter grade higher at a long 70 miles.
I'm not sure I understand this.

If you're suggesting that you get a recruiting advantage (i.e. your recruiting efforts are worth more than they normally would be) if the recruit is 70 miles or less, that's not correct. Being within 70 miles does give you the opportunity to recruit some players who ordinarily wouldn't have been open to talking to you. But it doesn't strengthen your actual recruiting efforts.

If you're not suggesting that ... well, then I don't know what you're suggesting, lol.
3/10/2011 6:47 AM
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