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Seriously, 16 minutes for a majority of the season and 22 minutes since final grades and he's gone from a 1 to a 2 in speed.  He is high/high.

A guy with a ton of potential practicing a ton doesn't improve at all?  Frankly, I don't really understand why the curve is so low on the bottom end in the first place.  I would argue that it's easier, at least with a non-talent trait like speed, to go from awful to mediocre than it is to go from mediocre to great.  Regardless, it shouldn't be this difficult to increase.
3/29/2011 10:22 PM
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I think they put at least a band-aid fix on this ... guys with high potential are supposed to start at 10 or 11, not supposed to be single digits any more. I'm guessing (hoping) that this recruit is from before that change.
3/29/2011 10:27 PM
ike1024
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Yeah, he is.  Forgot about that.  Hope that makes a difference.
3/29/2011 10:28 PM
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this steve  rogers is no captain america
3/29/2011 11:58 PM
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Worth pointing out that 16 minutes in conditioning is really not all that much...  And he's grown 9 points in stamina from that same practice time.
3/30/2011 12:40 AM
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So the plus side to it? He can crawl up and down the court a lot longer now.
3/30/2011 12:49 AM
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I would argue that the "talent" traits, such as PER and LP, should be easier to improve than Ath or SPD. You know the old coaches' saying, "you can't teach speed"?
3/30/2011 8:29 AM
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He's high/high potential.  So, by definition, you can teach him speed.

3/30/2011 9:05 AM
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Posted by dahsdebater on 3/30/2011 12:40:00 AM (view original):
Worth pointing out that 16 minutes in conditioning is really not all that much...  And he's grown 9 points in stamina from that same practice time.

It seems like you've made two conflicting statements.  16 points of conditioning isn't much, but he's gone up a bunch in one category because of it.

16 for a season is plenty to go up more than 1 point in a high/high category with a 50+ WE.

3/30/2011 9:07 AM
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Posted by isack24 on 3/30/2011 9:07:00 AM (view original):
Posted by dahsdebater on 3/30/2011 12:40:00 AM (view original):
Worth pointing out that 16 minutes in conditioning is really not all that much...  And he's grown 9 points in stamina from that same practice time.

It seems like you've made two conflicting statements.  16 points of conditioning isn't much, but he's gone up a bunch in one category because of it.

16 for a season is plenty to go up more than 1 point in a high/high category with a 50+ WE.

I think dahs' point is that conditioning affect ath/spd/stamina/dur, so 16min into stamina isn't that much considering that it affects 4 categories, while things like reb/lp/per only affects 1 category. 
3/30/2011 9:50 AM
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Yeah, no doubt, but when one goes up 9, and the other 1, it seems like the difference at the bottom end is WAY too much.
3/30/2011 9:52 AM
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Posted by isack24 on 3/30/2011 9:52:00 AM (view original):
Yeah, no doubt, but when one goes up 9, and the other 1, it seems like the difference at the bottom end is WAY too much.
I agree with you somewhat, but I also see the logic of it. If a kid comes in w/o any understanding of how to play defense, or how to shoot a jumpshot, it's going to take him longer to improve his game in these aspects than someone with similar potential but a better foundation. And 1 to 2 is an 100% increase in terms of coding. 
3/30/2011 10:05 AM
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Posted by tianyi7886 on 3/30/2011 9:50:00 AM (view original):
Posted by isack24 on 3/30/2011 9:07:00 AM (view original):
Posted by dahsdebater on 3/30/2011 12:40:00 AM (view original):
Worth pointing out that 16 minutes in conditioning is really not all that much...  And he's grown 9 points in stamina from that same practice time.

It seems like you've made two conflicting statements.  16 points of conditioning isn't much, but he's gone up a bunch in one category because of it.

16 for a season is plenty to go up more than 1 point in a high/high category with a 50+ WE.

I think dahs' point is that conditioning affect ath/spd/stamina/dur, so 16min into stamina isn't that much considering that it affects 4 categories, while things like reb/lp/per only affects 1 category. 
I could be wrong, but I've never thought that's how it works. The fact that conditioning affects 4 categories shouldn't mean you have to trade off growth in one category vs another - all of that growth should happen simultaneously (depending of course on how many mins you're putting in and the potentials for each category). If I'm high-high in all 4 ratings and put in 20 conditioning mins, I should see steep growth in all of them at the same time. If that's not the case, and there's some kind of trade-off, then (a) that stinks, because how would the engine know how I'd like to trade off categories?, and (b) they should break up conditioning into separate practice areas.
3/30/2011 10:10 AM
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I would love to see them break conditioning into separate areas, such conditioning (affecting stamina and dur) and weight lifting (affecting ath/spd). And add 10-20min more into overall development. 

I'm not 100% sure if there is a tradeoff under the current system but I have never seen a player gain 15-30 points in ath/spd/stamina in a single season, but I have seen players gain 15-30 pts in categories such as reb/lp/per/passing (i know lp and per only has a 3 min threshold). 
3/30/2011 10:13 AM
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Posted by tianyi7886 on 3/30/2011 10:05:00 AM (view original):
Posted by isack24 on 3/30/2011 9:52:00 AM (view original):
Yeah, no doubt, but when one goes up 9, and the other 1, it seems like the difference at the bottom end is WAY too much.
I agree with you somewhat, but I also see the logic of it. If a kid comes in w/o any understanding of how to play defense, or how to shoot a jumpshot, it's going to take him longer to improve his game in these aspects than someone with similar potential but a better foundation. And 1 to 2 is an 100% increase in terms of coding. 

That's why I opined that speed would be different than a "talent" category.  If the guy has the potential to be fast(er), he should get faster by running.  There really isn't that much that needs to be learned.

20 to 40 is a 100% increase, too, but it better longer than going from 1 to 2 given the same potential and WE.  Look, I understand that coding is an issue, and I also understand dalt's point about the new changes helping this.  But I find it tough to believe that people don't look at this and think it's a little ridiculous given his WE/potential.

3/30/2011 10:21 AM
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