went through the list in Naismith recruiting. 1 day after initial signings.  d2 signings.  interesting that d2 teams are barely breaking through the top 200 in each position, d1 teams are dipping really low. list was done about 1 pm sunday so there may be additions, new signed players.

point guards-  highest rated- 532 (2)  1 ranked.   502 #195  B prestige

shooting guards- highest rated- 533, 528 both non ranked.. 1 abirition- 553 non ranked ineligible.  0 ranked signings

small forward- 548 non ranked     0 ranked signings

power forward- 539 non ranked         0 ranked signings

center- 535 non ranked         526 #186 eligible  A+ prestige             523 #187  A+ prestige           507 #193  B+ prestige         499 #185 A+ prestige     
              494 #191  A- prestige          477 #175  B+ prestige

total of 7 signed ranked players (top 200 in their individual position) 

Big East signing   B- or B prestige     521 non ranked signed

Notice that in other worlds too.  My normal DII protocol was to hit the 180+ recruits that weren't getting any attention from DI.  In Phelan I think, there aren't any.  The recruits are gone to DI teams leaving me without even one to recruit.  Usually get 2-4 depending on how many spots open.  I guess the changes had to effect everyone.

Curious to hear if someone saw that same trend in D2 Tark this recently-completed recruiting cycle. I only have a D3 team in that world, but it was night and day compared to the D2 recruiting in Naismith this time around. In Naismith, I was begging and pleading for folks to talk to me. In Tark, I felt like a rock star with recruits throwing themselves at me and my C- prestige. Of 13 "your a backup" messages, I had seven call me back and beg to talk before signings started. The first callback came about 18 hours into recruiting. Don't think I've had one prior to six hours or so before the signing window opens previously. 

Maybe its just coincidence, but I know I talked to others in D3 Tark that had the same experience and were also describing it as bizarre. Curious if things were that freewheeling up at D2 in Tark as well, or if the strangeness was only in D3. (Would also be interested in hearing if anyone in D3 Naismith noticed that folks were dropping down faster than previous as well or if pulldowns seemed more cumbersome than previous years)

That makes me feel a little better, but apparently I didn't adjust my targeting to compensate.  My Naismith D3 team made its usual bunch of 1st-cycle phone calls to lower-rated D2 pulldown prospects and I was shocked at the number of them who flat-out rejected me or just didn't return my call.  I usually expect some rejections, but off hand I'd put my rejection rate this cycle at around 70%.  I noticed quite a few getting picked up by D2 programs.

I'm not happy with this recruiting class and its set my rebuilding plans back a season, but I guess I need to play it smarter next cycle.

Posted by ethan66 on 4/10/2011 11:54:00 PM (view original):
That makes me feel a little better, but apparently I didn't adjust my targeting to compensate.  My Naismith D3 team made its usual bunch of 1st-cycle phone calls to lower-rated D2 pulldown prospects and I was shocked at the number of them who flat-out rejected me or just didn't return my call.  I usually expect some rejections, but off hand I'd put my rejection rate this cycle at around 70%.  I noticed quite a few getting picked up by D2 programs.

I'm not happy with this recruiting class and its set my rebuilding plans back a season, but I guess I need to play it smarter next cycle.

How high were you aiming. I just started a rebuild in Naismith D3 and got pretty decent response with C- prestige. It's hard to get response from anyone that is rated higher than 450 with C-. 

in phlean as a b+ guys that would have normally considered me (within 100 miles, ranked around 175) flatly just said no whereas before i could have pulled down or waited on.

Looking at top signings according to rankings to see if the changes are fixing the lower d1 problems that have driven players to d2. Using the c or under prestige as the criteria. Most interesting is that a few c prestige teams landing 2 stars. MAC conference- sg 611, #131 overall. #26 sg. 2 star Southern conference- c prestige- #135 overall #26 sf 2 star. A couple of similar signings in this conference. When players start to realize that they can recruit these players easier now, may see more breaking through in the future.

Posted by carlnault on 4/11/2011 9:04:00 AM (view original):
Looking at top signings according to rankings to see if the changes are fixing the lower d1 problems that have driven players to d2. Using the c or under prestige as the criteria. Most interesting is that a few c prestige teams landing 2 stars. MAC conference- sg 611, #131 overall. #26 sg. 2 star Southern conference- c prestige- #135 overall #26 sf 2 star. A couple of similar signings in this conference. When players start to realize that they can recruit these players easier now, may see more breaking through in the future.

Why do you think these players are easier to recruit now than they were previously?

FYI, this change was announced (I believe I remember it being discussed in the dev chat that D2 teams wouldn't be able to aim as high).

Overall it's a good change -- D2 teams were able to aim way too high before. My only question now is whether this is an overcorrection (big surprise) and whether it's good that D2 teams basically can't sign any ranked players. I tend to be in favorite of it, as long as there aren't a bunch of ranked players going completely unsigned.

Was pure speculation. Just happy to see low prestige d1 land great players. With 5-6 cycles before recruiting ends. Top 200 in each position not being considered. Pg- 37 sg- 35 sf- 57 pf- 47 c- 15. Close to 24%? of the total number. Still the 1 ranked pg signed to d2, #109 sophomore only ranked sg.

I dont have a D2 team anymore or for a while, but do we think that what we are seeing is a result of
 
- changed recruit population

- changed coaching population in D1

- changed recruiting tactics by D1 coaches

??

I think it might have been a little too extreme. As an A- prestige I was flat out rejected by a couple local guys who were unranked and barely of 500 overall.

I would reserve judgement;  what matters in the long run is not the absolute numerical value of the recruits the d2 teams can get, but the relative balance among all d2 teams.

Posted by tianyi7886 on 4/11/2011 12:54:00 AM (view original):

Posted by ethan66 on 4/10/2011 11:54:00 PM (view original):
That makes me feel a little better, but apparently I didn't adjust my targeting to compensate.  My Naismith D3 team made its usual bunch of 1st-cycle phone calls to lower-rated D2 pulldown prospects and I was shocked at the number of them who flat-out rejected me or just didn't return my call.  I usually expect some rejections, but off hand I'd put my rejection rate this cycle at around 70%.  I noticed quite a few getting picked up by D2 programs.

I'm not happy with this recruiting class and its set my rebuilding plans back a season, but I guess I need to play it smarter next cycle.

How high were you aiming. I just started a rebuild in Naismith D3 and got pretty decent response with C- prestige. It's hard to get response from anyone that is rated higher than 450 with C-. 

I had potential pulldowns targeted that were as high as 470, but the ones I really wanted were in the 450-460 range.

In two cases, the recruit stonewalled me after my scout trip barrage and allowed another program to jump in and grab him.  I didn't have the money to battle.

In the other cases, they either just didn't answer my phone call or told me to forget it.

I'm going to be doing a few things differently next time, but one of my problems in Bethany is that it's on that little finger of territory that juts north, smack between Ohio and Pennsylvania.  I'm surrounded by good D3 programs so the competition can be pretty tough.

You are aiming kind of high with C- prestige, which explains why 70% of the recruits rejected your phone call. The 450-480 range is what I generally go for with my A+ programs, and once in a blue moon, I would take on in the 480-490 range.

I'm doing C- rebuild in Naismith too and I only got about a 50% response and I was aiming in the 410-450 range.