Paying for government regulation Topic

Bank of America will start charging $5 per debit card transaction.

The move is partly prompted by a new federal regulation starting tomorrow (Oct. 1) will begin limiting the cut banks can take from merchants at the point of sale. Bank of America is expecting the new lower rate to reduce the revenue that those merchant fees currently bring to the bank. In 2009, those fees amounted to $19 billion in revenue.


What will the tree-huggers around here do?   I stopped doing business with BoA about 3 years ago.  Will you?

9/30/2011 2:50 PM

Heh.

It's $5/month in which you use the card.  Still an increased cost of having a debit card, but not quite so crazy.

9/30/2011 2:56 PM
Perhaps I read it wrong.  Nonetheless, my point was the "big business" will pass costs along to individuals every time government steps in and hits their bottom line.  Anyone who doesn't understand this is probably too stupid to have a computer.   But, it seems, a lot of the posters here don't get it.
9/30/2011 3:13 PM
That wouldn't happen in Canada
9/30/2011 3:27 PM
**** AMERIKA

GREEDY CAPITALIST PIGS
9/30/2011 3:28 PM
I use BofA because it is across from my office and the ease of finding an ATM but after hearing this, at lunch went and closed my account.  Opening an account with a smaller community bank, I'll be inconvenienced on the ATM use but can still use the debit card at the same places I use it now.
9/30/2011 3:53 PM
And that's how you do it.  I quit doing business when I tried to refinance my home as rates plummeted.    BoA had bought my mortgage from Countrywide so I'd never really dealt with them.   Actually getting a person to speak to was impossible and I decided they screwed around so much with refinancing because it was actually costing them money.   Took me about 3 days to refinance with my bank.   I canceled a couple of credit cards and decided to never give them another dime.
9/30/2011 4:22 PM
So than everyone agrees that BOA is being hurt by Government Regulations.
10/1/2011 5:35 PM
Posted by jiml60 on 9/30/2011 3:53:00 PM (view original):
I use BofA because it is across from my office and the ease of finding an ATM but after hearing this, at lunch went and closed my account.  Opening an account with a smaller community bank, I'll be inconvenienced on the ATM use but can still use the debit card at the same places I use it now.
You have every right, of course, to close your account with the Big Bad B of A.  I applaud you for using your freedom to do it.  I do find it odd that you are in essence, punishing them for something they did in response to a new regulation.  What did you expect them to do?  I can think of a couple of options:

1.  Pass on the additional cost  to the consumers (what they did).
2.  Reduce costs another way, perhaps by
     a.  Reducing work force
     b.  Reducing the number of branches
     c.  Increasing rates on credit cards

The "swipe fee limits" of the Durbin Amendment, and the corresponding reaction by B of A and others is just an example of what happens when the government tries to use their power to protect the consumer.  This is not to say that some actions they take aren't justified, but there are consequences to things.

If I own a 'mom and pop' shop and the government controls the price I can charge some customers for an item, I have almost no choice but to make up for it some other way.  (Kinda like when the government manages what prices doctors and hospitals can charge for Medicare services - you see inflated base costs for those same services so they can recoup those costs of doing things).

The other thing you can do, in order to avoid the monthly fee is still use their ATM, but withdraw cash as needed.  Oh wait....there's another unintended consequence:  you may see a rise in muggings near cash machines (many criminals are not all that dumb).

Ah, the joy of regulation.  Action/reaction....

(disclaimer:  as I mentioned before, here and in other threads - I am not against regulation.  I am only pointing out that it's bigger than 'there oughta be a law...')..
10/3/2011 11:24 AM
I guess we are lucky up here in Canada.  We have a "bank" called PC Financial, they dont have any tellers or brick and mortar outlets, and they pass on the savings to us.  I pay no service fees and no transaction fees whatsoever, and on top of that they actually pay a reasonable interest on savings accounts!  Pretty frickin sweet!  I can use any CIBC bank machine for free, but none of the other bank machines for free, I have to pay a fee to the owner of those bank machines.

But really $5 per month to use your debit card aint so bad, compared to the big banks up here that is actually better...

Now if you were paying that plus 50 cents per transaction that would be kinda sucky.


regulations in general are there to protect the average consumer, and I wont ever have an issue with that.  Not to say that every regulation ever made was necessary or even good.  But in general I appreciate them.  If it makes certain things slightly more expensive but I have the knowledge that in general I am pretty safe from things like the 08 catastrophy in the states Im pretty happy with that.
10/3/2011 12:45 PM
Posted by swamphawk22 on 10/1/2011 5:35:00 PM (view original):
So than everyone agrees that BOA is being hurt by Government Regulations.
Nope.  The consumer is being hurt by government regulations. 
10/3/2011 1:32 PM
Posted by greeny9 on 10/3/2011 12:45:00 PM (view original):
I guess we are lucky up here in Canada.  We have a "bank" called PC Financial, they dont have any tellers or brick and mortar outlets, and they pass on the savings to us.  I pay no service fees and no transaction fees whatsoever, and on top of that they actually pay a reasonable interest on savings accounts!  Pretty frickin sweet!  I can use any CIBC bank machine for free, but none of the other bank machines for free, I have to pay a fee to the owner of those bank machines.

But really $5 per month to use your debit card aint so bad, compared to the big banks up here that is actually better...

Now if you were paying that plus 50 cents per transaction that would be kinda sucky.


regulations in general are there to protect the average consumer, and I wont ever have an issue with that.  Not to say that every regulation ever made was necessary or even good.  But in general I appreciate them.  If it makes certain things slightly more expensive but I have the knowledge that in general I am pretty safe from things like the 08 catastrophy in the states Im pretty happy with that.
Everyone has options.    The point is being ignored by you. 

Government drops a regulation.  Business reacts.  Consumers pay.     

The circle of life.
10/3/2011 1:37 PM
Regulations are what keep terrible things from happening all over the place and all the time.  Things like the Gulf of Mexico oil spill last summer, and the United Carbide India chemical leak in Bhopal of December 1984, I mean the list goes on and on of these disasters that happened either because of lack of regulation or because people or business disregarded the regulations in place.

Im not saying that with maximum regulation in place the world over that disasters like these wouldnt happen, but they sure would happen a whole lot less often then they do.

Now how about greenhouse gas regulations, or pollution regulations.  I dont know if you care a whit about the environment, but if there were no regulations in these areas we would be screwed, the air would be toxic, and there would be no such thing as clean water. 
10/3/2011 4:07 PM
And you pay for each and every one of those things.    Again, don't try to paint me in the "RAMPANT BUSINESS WITH NO REGULATIONS!!!!" corner.   There has to be regulations because businesses don't care about you one bit.   That's why you pay for each and every one of these regulations. 
10/3/2011 4:11 PM
Call me a socialist and Im fine if you do, but I dont mind paying for regulations that are effective in keeping us both safe and keeping us from being gouged by business.  And I wasnt implying that you MikeT are completely anti-regulation, Im just saying that I think that regulations are important and giving you some examples of why they are.  I was also giving you examples of yes we have options when it comes to choosing Citibank over BofA in terms of where we do our banking, but many and maybe most regulations arent about that, they are about making sure business does the right thing in terms of safety and environmental stewardship.  There is no choice option for the public there, we rely on these regulations to lesson the amount and severity of disasters.

For the record, I do agree that some regulations are a bit nanny state, (not saying that this debit card thing is necessarily an example of this)...
10/3/2011 4:21 PM
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