Increase time to sign FA during arb. Topic

plague
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Increase the 2 day period during arbitration to sign your own players  to long term contracts.

It's never effected me until recently when my computer crashed and for 48 hours  I had only a few minutes of access to a computer . A few players I wanted to sign long term are going to be gone because of something caused in real life, not because of a poor in game decision..

I think something that is this important too a team should be given as much time as reasonably possible, those 48 hours can haunt a team for the next 5 seasons.

Now for my own personal whine and opinion,  This situation has soured me on this team, its now like a bad in game memory I would rather not follow me for multiple seasons. I might change my opinion later as it won't effect me for 80 days and maybe I will calm down, but the way I feel now I don't want to spend the next 5 seasons being ticked off every time I play this team.

11/1/2011 7:59 AM
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You actually have two days.  FA resigning period and arb day.   Halfway down the arb screen there's a "long-term" link.    Not sure if that helps your situation but you do have 48 hours.

Immediately after arb, FA starts.  You really can't cut into that period with personal FA signings.
11/1/2011 8:09 AM
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Thanks Mike. I did know about the arb long term link but I do appreciate the info. Problem I had was my computer crashed during that 48 hours, I lost out on resigning coaches  which too me is more livable than losing a couple of key players I wanted to sign long term.

Other alternatives for WIS could be adding the ability to negotiate after arb and during free agency, just make it a max of 4(the arb season + 4 more seasons) seasons that a contract can be negotiated for these players. I think missing out on those 48 hours can be a game changer for a owner, something this important should be extended if possible and a week would be a more reasonable amount of time..
11/1/2011 5:06 PM
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I think my point is that you can't program "extensions" based on any possible delay in the 2000 or so HBD owners lives.  There has to be a deadline for everything so that it's fair to everyone.  I think most of us have missed days during the pre-season.   RL trumps HBD.
11/1/2011 5:38 PM
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I agree there needs to be a deadline. I have always thought 7 days for something long term important to the game is a reasonable deadline. 2 days can be a weekend getaway or a emergency. In my opinion missing the 2 days of arbitration for resigning free agents can be a possible game changer for a owner.

I want the game to be decided in game, not because of something external, whether it happens to me or someone else. We all miss days, but lets not have a team be possibly decimated because they missed 2 days. This situation has turned me off on this team, maybe 80 days from now I will feel differently.
11/2/2011 6:05 AM
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So are you suggesting that every "event" last a minimum of 7 days?

Budget - 7 days
Re-sign FA - 7 days
Arb - 7 days

So 21 days before even reaching coach hiring and FA signing?   Surely you know how silly that sounds.

11/2/2011 8:37 AM
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As always, reductio ad absurdum from MikeT23.

Sorry, just tired of it.

Not that I am advocating it, but missing the 24 hour budgeting window could be ameliorated by letting portions of the budget that have not yet come into play (prospect, training, etc.) be adjusted for a few more days.

Etc.

Not just one ridiculous scenario that the suggestor is not proposing.
11/2/2011 9:26 AM (edited)
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Sorry, don't care.  That's what he implied so I asked.   If you don't like it, feel free to STFU at any time.    Hope that helped.
11/2/2011 9:23 AM
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No it isn't what he implied. It is the strawman that you made up to belittle his suggestion.

But, whatever.

11/2/2011 9:29 AM
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"I agree there needs to be a deadline. I have always thought 7 days for something long term important to the game is a reasonable deadline."


I assume you can read.   Do you not think budgeting is something that's long-term important?  Fail to budget enough for a draft pick and you can't sign him.  Long-term importance.

He's already covered arb and re-signing FA as being important long-term.

So WTF do you think he was implying?   

If you want to comment, please do.  But, if you prove to be a dumbass, don't get upset when I point it out.
11/2/2011 9:36 AM
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OK, I see your edit now.

So Arb and FA re-signing at 7 days.    Are you, dcbove, implying that that's not ridiculous?
11/2/2011 9:39 AM
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By the way, if WIS admins are listening, the original poster made a reasonable suggestion, maybe not one that you want to implement, but reasonable.

MikeT23 gets it wrong (misses the 48 hour comment that the OP made in the first post) and then makes up a straw man argument to ridicule the OP. In the meantime, the OP is gracious.

I try to stick up for the guy and get a STFU from MikeT23.

In the meantime you promote this obnoxious troll with your "interview a user" article? This is the guy you want to hold up as a model member of the community? This is the guy you want new and potential customers to see in the forums as a privileged member of the WIS community? I hope you realize that a considerable portion of the quieter members of WIS can't stand him.
11/2/2011 9:43 AM
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And to answer your question Mike. No, in some scenarios they are not ridiculous. Why can't someone sign a first year arb-eligible player to a long term contract 7 days or more after the arb portion of the world schedule. That wouldn't be unreasonable.

Free agent resigning? That could be stretched out for the moment that budgets are set until the moment all teams can bid. Maybe not 7 days, but some other, longer window might be worth discussing.

Note that I'm not advocating any of these things, just pointing out that there might be something reasonable to suggest as a possibility as opposed to a ridiculous straw man where you insist that the OP wants 21 days to do a few things at the start of the season (i.e. your reductio ad absurdum).
11/2/2011 10:07 AM
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No, dcbove has reading comprehension skills.  Or lacks math skills.   First post, first sentence: "Increase the 2 day period".   2 days IS 48 hours.
When questioned, the OP suggested the following:  ""I agree there needs to be a deadline. I have always thought 7 days for something long term important to the game is a reasonable deadline."    I then asked another question to confirm that he was suggesting increasing the pre-season by 18 days.

At that point, you decided to jump in with an off-topic comment.  Now you're all butthurt because I obviously told you that your non-opinion on the subject means nothing.    And now I'll tell you your opinion of me means even less.   It's the internet.   If you can't take it, walk away.   Your comment(s) have done NOTHING to further this thread.  I believe, until you showed up, plague and I had a rather civil exchange. 




 

11/2/2011 10:10 AM
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They can.   Next season.

FA re-signing might be worth discussing.  Plague and I were actually doing that.   You weren't until just now.

He said 7 days.   I asked him if he understands what he was implying.   Somehow or another, you took that as an attack on him and chose to insert your nonsense into the thread. 

My point is, and has always been, that there has to be deadlines.   If WifS wants to make some portions longer of pre-season longer, so be it.    But they are selling a product.   They only make money by selling and re-selling the product.   Extending the season by 7-10 days cuts into their bottom line.  And, even if they find that acceptable, other owners will get bored with the game due to all the down time.    3-7 days to arb or re-sign FA equals a lot of downtime.   Perhaps you should read some of the threads regarding Spring Training.  A lot of owners want to discard it because, get this, they see it as useless downtime. 
11/2/2011 10:15 AM
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