Private World prospect Budget rules. Topic

willsauve
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What is the positive to putting a cap on the amount of $$ that can be transferred over to prospect budget?

I've been thinking about it and it seems it would just benifit the winning teams as they will have a high or maybe no 1st round pick and would get the the cream of the crop as far as IFA go.

11/3/2011 4:21 PM
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It prevents owners from focusing only on prospect budget by transferring all the way up over $40M in some cases to stockpile cheap talent and build a long-lasting juggernaut that will ruin the worlds parity.

11/3/2011 5:29 PM
willsauve
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But isnt this the reason you institute anti-tanking win floors and such.  I looked at a few different teams in worlds with similiar rules and the top tier teams are the teams getting the great IFA's which diminishes the ability of a poor team gaining ground..
11/3/2011 7:07 PM
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I am not sure I follow - why would the top teams be getting all of the good IFAs.  Generally speaking, getting an IFA depends on only two things:  International Scouting Budget and money in prospect.  Seems like good teams would on average have less to spend in either of those areas.
11/3/2011 7:41 PM
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Posted by kahrtmen on 11/3/2011 7:41:00 PM (view original):
I am not sure I follow - why would the top teams be getting all of the good IFAs.  Generally speaking, getting an IFA depends on only two things:  International Scouting Budget and money in prospect.  Seems like good teams would on average have less to spend in either of those areas.
Extreme example in a world that you're in is Hartford Sith http://www.whatifsports.com/HBD/Pages/Popups/FranchiseProfile.aspx?fid=3004

A 120 win team that was able to transfer so much more money to prospects and sign the most expensive IFA.. This team is a prime example of tanking.. and a 30M prospect cap would benefit him more than anyone.
11/3/2011 8:04 PM
willsauve
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The contending teams typically spend less money on ADV souting, HS scouting, College scouting enabling them to have above average payroll and the ability to still maximize their prospect budgets.. By adding the prospect cap you're just ensuring that they will have the most $$ for IFA's.
11/3/2011 8:07 PM
willsauve
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Posted by willsauve on 11/3/2011 8:04:00 PM (view original):
Posted by kahrtmen on 11/3/2011 7:41:00 PM (view original):
I am not sure I follow - why would the top teams be getting all of the good IFAs.  Generally speaking, getting an IFA depends on only two things:  International Scouting Budget and money in prospect.  Seems like good teams would on average have less to spend in either of those areas.
Extreme example in a world that you're in is Hartford Sith http://www.whatifsports.com/HBD/Pages/Popups/FranchiseProfile.aspx?fid=3004

A 120 win team that was able to transfer so much more money to prospects and sign the most expensive IFA.. This team is a prime example of tanking.. and a 30M prospect cap would benefit him more than anyone.
Matter a fzct this team has been able to dominate and still sign one of the top IFA's every season. Kind of neutralizes the the amatuer draft.
11/3/2011 8:10 PM
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Posted by willsauve on 11/3/2011 7:07:00 PM (view original):
But isnt this the reason you institute anti-tanking win floors and such.  I looked at a few different teams in worlds with similiar rules and the top tier teams are the teams getting the great IFA's which diminishes the ability of a poor team gaining ground..
Believe it or not, it is possible to field a winner/decent team, without tanking, and still manage to spend 30 mil+ on one IFA.  I have seen it done, more than once.  Not by me.
11/3/2011 8:26 PM
shobob
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You have to punt the draft and Adv scouting, and sign the best low priced free agents.
11/3/2011 8:27 PM
willsauve
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I think maybe you guys arent undertanding what I'm trying to say,
11/3/2011 8:35 PM
shobob
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I was trying to support sour's argument.  Not doing a good job I guess.
11/3/2011 8:49 PM
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Posted by willsauve on 11/3/2011 8:04:00 PM (view original):
Posted by kahrtmen on 11/3/2011 7:41:00 PM (view original):
I am not sure I follow - why would the top teams be getting all of the good IFAs.  Generally speaking, getting an IFA depends on only two things:  International Scouting Budget and money in prospect.  Seems like good teams would on average have less to spend in either of those areas.
Extreme example in a world that you're in is Hartford Sith http://www.whatifsports.com/HBD/Pages/Popups/FranchiseProfile.aspx?fid=3004

A 120 win team that was able to transfer so much more money to prospects and sign the most expensive IFA.. This team is a prime example of tanking.. and a 30M prospect cap would benefit him more than anyone.
Look at it's finances from when the current owner took over to the present:

Season Franchise User Player Prospect Coach Coll. Scout HS Scout Int'l Scout Adv Scout Training Medical
19 Hartford Sith palpatine242 69 (37) 20 (36) 16 16 4 20 0 20 20
18 Hartford Sith palpatine242 62 (24) 20 (39) 17 18 8 20 0 20 20
17 San Juan Sith palpatine242 67 (25) 20 (41) 12 16 12 18 0 20 20
16 San Juan Sith palpatine242 59 (22) 20 (37) 18 18 16 18 0 20 16
15 Pittsburgh Sith palpatine242 60 (44) 20 (28) 11 18 18 18 0 20 20
14 Pittsburgh Sith palpatine242 63 (35) 20 (34) 8 18 18 18 0 20 20
13 Pittsburgh Sith palpatine242 64 (34) 20 (35) 7 18 18 18 2 20 18
12 Chicago Sith palpatine242 63 (27) 20 (38) 8 18 18 18 6 20 14
11 Chicago Sith palpatine242 66 (34) 20 (36) 7 18 18 18 10 18 10
10 Chicago Sith palpatine242 68 (72) 20 (21) 18 (8) 14 14 14 14 14 9

He's transferred tons of money into prospect from S11 on.  The reason why he's a 122 game winner in S19 is because of the IFA's he's been able to sign in S11-S18.

He's signed 12 IFA's to $10m+ bonuses since S10, with half of them at $28.1m, $29.2m, $26.1m, $20.9m, $30.1m and $22.8m.

Cap the prospect payroll in those seasons, he's not getting all that IFA talent, and he's not winning 122 games in S19.
11/3/2011 8:58 PM
willsauve
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But with win floor he's booted after the 1st or 2nd season...
11/3/2011 9:07 PM
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WIn minimums is the best way to stop tanking.  Prospect cap further levels the playing field.
11/3/2011 9:18 PM
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I think what will is trying to say is that with a  $20M cap, the team with the first pick will have to spend $4M leaving him with $16M for Internationals, while the team with the last pick, spends $1M and can spend $19M in Internationals.
11/3/2011 9:25 PM
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