So if I'm a D1 coach with a B+ prestige and I want to steal a recruit who is considering a d2 school (A-) ONE CV should be worth like at least 5 of his right?? Also, how much per schollie do d2 coaches get?

so far he's accepted two of my HVs and I'm kind of shocked he's not even considering me yet so I guess I'm going to have to throw him a CV if I want him, no? 

The kid has one year of eligibility left and I just need him to avoid a penalty.

Just guarantee a start.  Who cares if he complains. 

WOW....


He had already accepted two home visits.... so going into the signing cycle, I gave him a CV and another HV and 10 minutes.... he took the HV, declined the CV and minutes and signed with the D2 school.... dumb kid. 

There's no reason why you would "have to throw him a CV if you want him."  That doesn't make any sense.  You just get a total amount of effort from HVs and CVs and it doesn't matter at all how it's divided in terms of impact...  You just use the one you think is more cost-effective at the distance you're recruiting from.

Hes 100 miles away so it didnt much matter and I had a very specific dollar amount in mind. I just wanted him considering me while I locked down another guy, them throw so more money at this scrub if need be...

The point is, how does this kid not even consider me with 3 hvs and then reject a cv and sign with a d2 school?? I mean how much could a d2 school with 3 slots open have thrown at him?

So, you didn't really want him, just wanted him to be there in case the guy you really wanted spurned you? Meanwhile, the D2 school probably had to spend more money than he intended to keep a guy they probably wanted, and will probably play more than you would have given the fact you called him a scrub. Then the kid takes the offer from a school he'll probably contribute to more and you're problem is??? Sounds like he's not so dumb.  If you didn't offer a scholarship, he could have taken the first lifeboat he could find, given his last year of elligibilty is upon him and recruiting is almost finished.

He has I year of eligibility and I wanted him to get 5-10 minutes a game as my backup PG. I offered him a schollie. I guess the D2 school was apparently soo far ahead of me but how??

Well. . there you go.  As a senior, perhaps he just didn't really want to be a five minute a game backup when he could be a 25 minute a game starter at d2.

none of that other bs matters. you didn't put as much effort as the D2 school. that's all it comes down to. D2 gets $5k per opening. He could have spent as much as 20k depending on carryover and postseason if he wanted the kid badly enough. You spent less than $2k...

Realize it doesn't matter in the mathematical sense,.  But saying it would "Never happen' is not really true.  It is quite plausible to envision real world scenarios where it would 'happen'.  Did you look at the other school's expenditures?  Perhaps he also, in addition to whatever he spent, promised him a start and minutes.  Did he have allot of carryover cash left?  

Posted by dacj501 on 4/27/2012 9:45:00 PM (view original):
none of that other bs matters. you didn't put as much effort as the D2 school. that's all it comes down to. D2 gets $5k per opening. He could have spent as much as 20k depending on carryover and postseason if he wanted the kid badly enough. You spent less than $2k...

I managed to discover the school he tried to poach the recruit from. It was a GLV Tark school, they made 10k+ per school from postseason play.

As someone who loves D2 I have to just say: c'mon you can't do better at a B+ D1 school than to poach a recruit from a D2 school?  Man I hate when a D1 school especially a B+ school does that to me when I know there are hundreds of players better who I have no shot at with my D2 team.

honestly, he was a transfer with 1 year of eligibility so I thought he'd be an easy sign... thought the d2 school was taking him for the same reason (to avoid any walk-on penalty) 

I can beleive he didnt take my CV and just signed with the d2 school.. it would have been 2k of effort if he doesnt reject the CV and I would think that 2k of effort=12k+ of his effort... still not even necessarily enough. 

Thanks guys... learn more everyday.

Posted by mjp8 on 4/27/2012 10:18:00 PM (view original):
As someone who loves D2 I have to just say: c'mon you can't do better at a B+ D1 school than to poach a recruit from a D2 school?  Man I hate when a D1 school especially a B+ school does that to me when I know there are hundreds of players better who I have no shot at with my D2 team.

Tell me about it, last season, going into signings, I was in the lead for a JuCo PG (D2 prospect) who could of ended up being a stud. He had high potential in athleticism, speed, defense, perimeter, passing, ball handling, stamina, and 89 WE along with solid ratings to begin with. He didn't sign right away, as he was still considering a school from North Dakota (the player was in Maryland or New Jersey I believe). I felt quite confident that I would sign him. Then I wake up the next day to hear him tell me he wasn't sure about about my school. I proceeded to check his recruit profile to find him being considered by a B prestige D1 school. I was ticked off, I had spent 2/3 of my recruiting cash on him (80% after scouting). What got me more mad was when I checked up on his progress, found out the coach had RSed him and his WE dropped to 14, he kept the RS until the CT, and his WE went up to 74 (coach waited to RS him so his WE dropped more). He gained about 40 points all season, he probably would have gained more if he went to my school and wasn't poached by the D1 school.

Posted by meeper123 on 4/27/2012 10:52:00 PM (view original):

Posted by mjp8 on 4/27/2012 10:18:00 PM (view original):
As someone who loves D2 I have to just say: c'mon you can't do better at a B+ D1 school than to poach a recruit from a D2 school?  Man I hate when a D1 school especially a B+ school does that to me when I know there are hundreds of players better who I have no shot at with my D2 team.

Tell me about it, last season, going into signings, I was in the lead for a JuCo PG (D2 prospect) who could of ended up being a stud. He had high potential in athleticism, speed, defense, perimeter, passing, ball handling, stamina, and 89 WE along with solid ratings to begin with. He didn't sign right away, as he was still considering a school from North Dakota (the player was in Maryland or New Jersey I believe). I felt quite confident that I would sign him. Then I wake up the next day to hear him tell me he wasn't sure about about my school. I proceeded to check his recruit profile to find him being considered by a B prestige D1 school. I was ticked off, I had spent 2/3 of my recruiting cash on him (80% after scouting). What got me more mad was when I checked up on his progress, found out the coach had RSed him and his WE dropped to 14, he kept the RS until the CT, and his WE went up to 74 (coach waited to RS him so his WE dropped more). He gained about 40 points all season, he probably would have gained more if he went to my school and wasn't poached by the D1 school.

I see this argument in some capacity all the time - just because a player would have been better for some D 2 school doesn't mean he won't contribute to a D 1 program. Backups are contributors too. If a player would have been a D 2 "stud" he probably would also be a capable D 1 backup.