Fix Player Rest for Minor Leaguers when season end Topic

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It's ridiculous that minor league players don't recover after their season ends. This can really hurt a team if they're forced to call up a guy because of injury...especially during the playoffs.
8/5/2012 10:05 AM
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Are you sure about this? I just checked my MinL teams in my world that's still in ML playoffs after MinL playoffs ended.  All my MinL players are at 100.  If they didn't recover, at least some of the Ps would be under 100.
8/6/2012 3:27 PM
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Uh, a player doesn't have to be on your playoff roster in order to be on your BL team during the playoffs.  He'll recover just fine if he's sitting on the BL bench in his sweats and running shoes.
8/6/2012 7:50 PM
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I'm sort of confused by what you're asking - Why would they automatically recover to 100 immediately after the MiL season is over?
8/7/2012 6:39 AM
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When the minor league season is over players on minor league rosters do not recover at all (unless you're in the playoffs). I'm not asking for instant recovery...just continued recovery. So, for instance if your AAA SS who is on the 40 man roster is at 93% at the end of the AAA season and you need to bring him up 20 HBD cycles later he should not still be at 93%.


8/8/2012 8:22 AM
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Ahhh ok, that makes more sense.  I think that sounds fair.
8/8/2012 9:31 AM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 8/6/2012 7:50:00 PM (view original):
Uh, a player doesn't have to be on your playoff roster in order to be on your BL team during the playoffs.  He'll recover just fine if he's sitting on the BL bench in his sweats and running shoes.
This.  If you think you'll "need" to bring him up, call him up when the minor league season ends.   I do it all the time with fatigued minor leaguers that WON'T be on my playoff roster.   His option is already burnt and, if you're going to call him up, you need cap room.   If you didn't save cap room and can't bring him up until later in the season or until the season is over, well, do better.

"Problem" solved.
8/8/2012 9:38 AM
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"If you didn't save cap room and can't bring him up until later in the season or until the season is over, well, do better."

Or...continue fatigue recovery after the minor league season ends.  If it's difficult to put in the game, then whatever, but I don't see anything wrong with this being implemented.

8/8/2012 10:20 AM
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There is no salary added to payroll AFTER the BL playoffs start.     So, essentially, you're giving an owner an advantage for not playing the game with an eye to the future.   Game 155 is a minor addition to payroll.   Very, very minor.   If you don't have 4k in cap room to move a player to your BL team so he can recover, I don't feel very badly for you.  Barring that, put the guy on rest the last 10 games of the minor league season.  Let him recover then.

Worst case scenario, move him up when the BL season is over. 

You do understand the implications of allowing owners to promote after the regular season is over with no "penalty", so to speak, right?
8/8/2012 11:32 AM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 8/8/2012 9:38:00 AM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 8/6/2012 7:50:00 PM (view original):
Uh, a player doesn't have to be on your playoff roster in order to be on your BL team during the playoffs.  He'll recover just fine if he's sitting on the BL bench in his sweats and running shoes.
This.  If you think you'll "need" to bring him up, call him up when the minor league season ends.   I do it all the time with fatigued minor leaguers that WON'T be on my playoff roster.   His option is already burnt and, if you're going to call him up, you need cap room.   If you didn't save cap room and can't bring him up until later in the season or until the season is over, well, do better.

"Problem" solved.
How does that solve the problem? It's a poor workaround for a flaw in the game.

How about this...instead of the customer having to "do better". WIS does a little better. Which I believe is the reason for this area.

But, hey thanks for your suggestion...in the future though you can save them for others.
8/8/2012 12:15 PM
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Because your player will be recovering while sitting on the BL bench.     Isn't that your concern?  A player you might need not being at 100%?

Here's the implications:
1.  No service time accrued if you call a player up after the BL season ends.
2.  No cap space required if you call a player up after the BL season ends.

It's naive to think owners only want the fatigue to recover.    Most of us have useful BL players in AAA at 100%.  Some of you want to control their BL time to the max so you don't call them up.   Your suggestion would allow owners to hold studs in AAA, even at 100%, and add them to their playoff roster in hopes of stealing a title AND maintaining their 0 BL experience status.    Don't know if WifS intended to it to work this way or they just stumbled into it.

Perhaps you could change my mind if you found some examples of MLB players who played 0 innings of BL ball but were added to playoff rosters.
8/8/2012 12:32 PM
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Closest guy I can think of is Matt Moore, who pitched 9 big league innings last year, and then started Game 1 of the ALDS for the Rays.
8/8/2012 2:05 PM
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So your answer is "Can't think of anyone"?

David Price did a similar thing for TB a few seasons back.   

Both were called up on 9/14.   Tampa manipulates service time like we do so I'm sure there's something about 9/14 that saves an arb or maybe even a Super 2 year. 
8/8/2012 2:56 PM
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Maybe, i dunno.  And I'm necessarily arguing.  I didn't see anything wrong with it until you brought up an argument, so, ok then. 

The answer is, put him on your ML roster if you think there's a chance you'll need him and care that much about your player's fatigue level.

8/8/2012 3:34 PM
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The playoffs are one situation...here's another...

Your BL team has a couple of EI games and your BP is fatigued. You want to call up one of your AAA guys who has been sitting inactive for a week since their season has ended. Unfortunately, he's sitting at 23% because he pitched the final AAA game and hasn't recovered. This isn't someone you're going to want for the playoffs...you just need an arm or two for a few days (pretty common in MLB).

Strangely, though...a player's injury will recover day by day after their season ends. There are roughly 15 HBD games between the end of the minor league season and the end of the BL season.

BTW, this theory you've come up with fails because we're only talking about the players that are fatigued...so if someone is going to try and sneak some stud in for the playoffs there's no problem if they're rested. It's hard enough to get owners to tender to the minor league teams...now you're suggesting a reason for them to just bench all of their quality players with 10+ minor league games to go?

All in all it's ridiculous. Players should recover when they're not playing.


8/8/2012 8:18 PM
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