I don't recall having this happen to me, especially with an A level prestige. What's the deal with that? Is it supposed to happen on rare occasions or is it a glitch?

document everything if you can. screenshots of d3 list, effort, etc and send a ticket. it is a glitch and apparently hard to track. I confirmed a while ago that if a recruit shows on your list he is supposed to accept effort. of course this doesnt even hold true for d1 but i was asking about d2 or 3 as you are...

1) I've had it happen before.  I never sent a ticket because I've read on the forums in the past where once in a blue moon a kid on your D3 list will reject all effort, no matter what.

2) Over the past few months at D3, I've now had 3 guys on my D2 list give me an immediately recruitable message when I call (and he's > 70 miles away), but rejects all effort.  I did send in a ticket about this and CS's response was some guys are right on the border of the D2/D3 list and while you get an immediately recruitable response they still need to be pulled down.  Kind of annoying.

Actually, here's the ticket response:

Sorry for the delayed response. This was probably a case where the player was right on the edge between being immediately recruitable and being a pulldown/dropdown player. I believe there may be a rounding issue going on, where one piece of logic thinks that he's recruitable and another piece of logic thinks he's not. We haven't been able to track this down as it's pretty rare, but we'll keep looking into it.

i had that happen as well,(d3)  i thought it was unusual, but then i decided maybe thats the way it alwasy was and i just never noticed.
but im thinking thats not the way it always was

if i recall correctly, it didnt take much to pull him down,  maybe only 2 or 3 st.

I was on mobile before...here is the ticket I sent. NOTE that I had deleted the recruit responses already (stupid) and didn't have enough of the info they needed to really check into it, so hopefully you do...assuming someone is still trying to "track it down"

6/24/2011 4:01 PM	dacj501
Hi, Could you please tell me exactly what the "Projected Level" tag on the Recruiting Search screen does? If I select "Division 3" from this pull down menu what exactly does that mean?
6/24/2011 4:15 PM	Customer Support
Thanks for the note. You indicate the talent level of the players that you want to find in your search for recruits.
6/24/2011 4:21 PM	dacj501
So if I indicate Division three players, all the results will be available to my Division 3 team?
6/24/2011 9:25 PM	Customer Support
Probably 99% of the time, they will be open to your efforts. There are rare cases where a player will drop after not getting any interest and show up in the search even though he won't be interested in going to a school at that level.
6/24/2011 11:35 PM	dacj501
That makes sense - If a player starts out on my D III list before recruiting starts he should be available on the first cycle though right?
6/25/2011 12:10 PM	Customer Support
Yes.
6/25/2011 1:48 PM	dacj501
In that case there must be an issue. Its well past first cycle now of course, and the player in question is now considering many other teams. BUT, Calvin McCune, a center from NJ, showed on my initial scouting search as a D III player. I took a screenshot. I can send if you need it. I sent him effort between 6 pm and 8 pm on opening day of recruiting. He rejected all phone calls and my scholarship offer out of hand. Before anyone else was considering him or before he could have dropped. No one else was considering him at 8 when he rejected me either, or for another couple cycles after that. I know of at least 1 conference mate suffering the same issue.
6/26/2011 1:55 PM	Customer Support
It looks like you withdrew the scholarship, not that he rejected it.
6/26/2011 3:16 PM	dacj501
Nope, I've noticed that it says that as well, but it also shows rejected scholarship - it is the third thing from the bottom showing on my recruiting history display for the player. He didn't reject the letters, but rejected phone calls and the scholarship offer. I still have screen shot if you want it.  I think it always shows that message when a scholarship is rejected, but I haven't seen it in a while. My history clearly shows rejected scholarship though, which he couldn't do if I rescinded it.
6/26/2011 4:00 PM	dacj501
I'm not looking for any action about returning recruiting money or anything, I moved on and found another player, no worries, but you folks earlier in this exchange agreed that if a player starts on the D III search page he should be recruitable, and this kid wasn't. And a number of other coaches are seeing the same thing. We just want to be acknowledged and not made to feel like someone there thinks we are lying about this or something. If you tell me that there seems to be something, and seble will take a look at it for the next release but in the meantime send a phone call first to D III kids as a work around, I have no problem with that either, I just want to be treated honestly. I sent this kid of mine 40 phone calls and 40 letters and a scholarship between 6pm and 8pm on the first cycle of recruiting. He rejected all the calls and the scholarship, did not reject the letters. Only cost me $700, no big deal. Why would I be going through the trouble of sending this to you if it did not happen? What is the upside for me to make it up? I just want the game that I love and have spent a lot of time and money on to love me back a little and not act like I'm lying to them for no reason...
6/26/2011 7:05 PM	Customer Support
Did you get any inbox responses from him? I don't see any. It sometimes helps for us to read the responses. I'm certainly not accusing you of lying about anything, but often times we get tickets submitted where it's just a misunderstanding or someone looking at something wrong. If there is truly a problem then of course we want to track it down. The more information we have the more likely we'll be able to determine what happened.
6/26/2011 7:23 PM	dacj501
I did have some responses, and before I decided to send this in I deleted them, but I think they were just the responses to the letters which weren't rejected. I wish I had them. I feared you'd need them.  I know this is happening, and I get that its hard to find it from your side. I will pay very close attention next season and retain every thing in case it happens again to help you find it.  He definitely was there prior to recruiting and definitely rejected phone calls and scholie though... kujayhawk had the same thing happen, and I've sent him a sitemail to see if he got any inbox responses. So far dahsdebater, kujayhawk and tiyani7886 all have commented either in the forums or on our conference CC that it happened to them too. Thanks for hearing me and trying to figure it out. If you can't do anything more with what info I have, I'll make sure to try to save it all next time.
6/26/2011 7:52 PM	dacj501
Chris (kujayhawk) responded and sent me the messages he got from the two recruits that it happened with: From: kujayhawk To: dacj501 Received: 6/26/2011 7:44:00 PM Subject: RE: do you have the responses  Message: Daryl, I don't have screenshots from my search screen (because that's not how I recruit, I dump everything into Excel). But here is what I have for the two in my email. I don't have phone calls because they were rejected. ERIC MULLIGAN 1. Coach Call Hey Coach, thanks for the call to chat about Eric Mulligan. I'm just trying to be courteous so don't take this the wrong way - he doesn't even know who you are. May want to move on. Rory Iorio Head Basketball Coach Sierra College 2. Home Visit It was interesting to hear you talk about Thomas, but I didn't hear anything that would change my opinion. I'm still going to have to mark you down in the 'NO' column. It's in permanent ink. Eric Mulligan 3. Scholarship Coach, I gotta be honest with you - the more I think about playing there, the more I think it's just not for me. Sorry. Eric Mulligan ROBERT WEINSTOCK 1. Coach Call Hey Coach, thanks for the call to chat about Robert Weinstock. From one coach to another, I don't think you have a shot here. I've never heard him mention Thomas - positively. Joseph Karvonen Head Basketball Coach Corning Community College 2. Evaluation Notes (there was nothing in Mulligan's eval that said anything) Overall, I think with some work, he'll be a decent Division II player - although he would probably sign with the right DIII school - I don't think there's anyway he'll see an offer from a DI school. BTW, I tried to give him a thumbs up during the game and I'm pretty sure he flipped me off. I don't think that's a good sign. [and] Overall, I think with some work, he'll be a decent Division II player - although he would probably sign with the right DIII school - I don't think there's anyway he'll see an offer from a DI school. Just my gut here, but I think we're chasing something we'll never catch. He's convinced he's going to play at a higher level than we can offer. I think he's right. 3. Scholarship Coach, I gotta be honest with you - the more I think about playing there, the more I think it's just not for me. Sorry. Robert Weinstock . Hope this helps. Cheers, Chris
6/27/2011 12:29 PM	Customer Support
In your case, he rejected your efforts after a scholarship was withdrawn. He accepted your efforts at the 7:00 cycle on 6/23, but then the scholarship was withdrawn before the next cycle. He rejected everything once that happened.  My guess is that it was an accident, since the withdraw is in the same place as the offer scholarship. Maybe you didn't realize that you'd already offered it once and ended up clicking it a second time.
6/27/2011 4:47 PM	dacj501
well, everything for me happened the first cycle - I didn't put anything in after the 8pm eastern cycle (I put all my effort in between 6 pm edt and 8 pm edt) next time around I'll keep a better eye and make sure if it happens again I'll have more info. He accepted the letters but not the phone calls or scholarship. Pretty sure I didn't rescind it, but I'll take more detailed notes next season. Thanks for looking at this, I still believe there is a problem, but I'll need more consistent evidence for you to find it maybe. Hopefully it won't happen next season, but if it does I'll be prepared.
6/27/2011 7:08 PM	Customer Support
Sorry, you're right, that did all happen in one cycle. The reasoning still applies though. A withdrawn scholarship immediately gives you major negative feelings from the player. The fact that it's easy to mistaken withdraw is a failure on our part. We'll put that on the list for improvement, to decrease the chances of it happening.
6/27/2011 7:11 PM	dacj501
thanks, and I'll pay closer attention.. Appreciate the feedback. Thanks. A quick followup on that withdraw thing - if I should accidentally withdraw a scholarship in the future, but I do notice it and immediately re-offer, is there still that negative impact? or does the re-offer negate that (kind of like the redshirt notify/retract thing?)
6/28/2011 9:46 AM	Customer Support
Currently a scholarship withdrawal is processed immediately, unlike other recruiting efforts. Re-offering helps, but it won't wipe out the negative impact of withdrawing.
6/28/2011 9:17 PM	dacj501
good to know - thanks!

well - if its just the one hv, that might just be the one getting rejected. i believe with a+, it stops happening, but with lower prestiges, im pretty sure you can get visits rejected. definitely campus but im pretty sure home as well. but if they keep rejecting them all, then i think it is the glitch everyone else has mentioned.

oldave, this definitely was not the case before the new engine rewrite, players in d3 could not refuse to talk to you. it came out when seble rewrote the engine, we've known about it since maybe a year after he rewrote the new engine. he hasn't been able to catch it yet :(

i cant remember how the phone call responses go - if they correctly identify the problem or not. jonesy, can you phone call ur dude and see which response he indicates? 

I have had this happen a bunch of times.  I've always resent the next cycle with a scouting visit and I'm pretty sure that it's always been accepted then.  I think that it has happened with an A+ prestige but that part I could be wrong on.

I second what shaf said. 

Yes, what shaf said

so then does anyone, just to be safe, when grabbing guys from the top of the division list, just send a precautionary scouting trip?

Maybe I'm misunderstanding but this happens to me all the time, checking through my messages right now I think I have like 5 backup messages from D2 players.
One player who was on my D2 list rejected the home visits I sent him this last cycle, could be because he's considering a D1 school but he was considering a D2 sim previously and still is, so doesn't make any sense to me.

Posted by shaf5576 on 1/19/2015 2:01:00 PM (view original):
I have had this happen a bunch of times.  I've always resent the next cycle with a scouting visit and I'm pretty sure that it's always been accepted then.  I think that it has happened with an A+ prestige but that part I could be wrong on.

I did the same thing and it worked, ty

bump for txhick