I just want to know what the logic indicted as to WHY these two D1 projected players with the LATE signing preference signed at 11am (First Cycle, part two recruiting) with D2 teams. Not crying foul, just want to know why the 3.0 engine did not work. Just took over a D1 team and was on both players for only the 8am to 11 am cycle, but both show as LATE signees.
Casey Nugent signed with Lincoln Memorial
Wayne Arakaki signed with Virginia Union

Hats off to those Coaches, just want to know what the engine was thinking.

Late just means 2nd signing period, I think.
The D2 programs must have put enough effort to get to High or Very High in the first cycle so when the restrict or plate came off, they signed.

Another great example of why there needs to be some no signings cycles at the beginning of session 2. EE problem is directly related to this too

Posted by waykbordr on 10/30/2016 11:36:00 AM (view original):
Another great example of why there needs to be some no signings cycles at the beginning of session 2. EE problem is directly related to this too

+1
EE's and Coaching Changes impacted the same. I swear I read "Late" and of a lower division, was last day only.

Posted by wvufan76 on 10/30/2016 11:44:00 AM (view original):

Posted by waykbordr on 10/30/2016 11:36:00 AM (view original):
Another great example of why there needs to be some no signings cycles at the beginning of session 2. EE problem is directly related to this too

+1
EE's and Coaching Changes impacted the same. I swear I read "Late" and of a lower division, was last day only.

Div-3 guys can only sign a Div-1 projected player on the last day. But one level up (Div-2 on projected Div-1 recruit or DIv-3 on a projected Div-2 recruit) is second session only.

This happened to me as well, very frustrating as I had no chance to even try to catch up to a D2 team and they signed the player. Im at a D1 power conference school that I just joined. In fact, anyone worth anything I am losing out to as I just cant catch up with everyones head starts.

By the time I get to the "Offer Scholarship" point they already sign.

In fact, all 4 recruits that I tried to land all signed on the exact cycle that I could put a scholarship offer down on the table.

i got Div-1 Thomas Reese at D2 Hawaii Pacific on the first night in Smith. i had loaded him up in Period 1 with 450 AP's, a campus visit, a starting spot, and 20 guaranteed minutes. At the end of Period 1, I was the only team considering him at all. Reese was an "Early" signer.

i noticed after i signed him that first night that Providence appeared on the considering list.

Having said all this, i think it would have been better if 24 hours had passed before the Period 2 signing. The Providence coach should have been given an opportunity to make a run at the player, even as i still threw 56 AP's at him each cycle.

Posted by npb7768 on 10/30/2016 5:57:00 PM (view original):
i got Div-1 Thomas Reese at D2 Hawaii Pacific on the first night in Smith. i had loaded him up in Period 1 with 450 AP's, a campus visit, a starting spot, and 20 guaranteed minutes. At the end of Period 1, I was the only team considering him at all. Reese was an "Early" signer.

i noticed after i signed him that first night that Providence appeared on the considering list.

Having said all this, i think it would have been better if 24 hours had passed before the Period 2 signing. The Providence coach should have been given an opportunity to make a run at the player, even as i still threw 56 AP's at him each cycle.

I'm the Providence coach in Smith. Reese was a possible backup option that I didn't need because my primary target signed. Nice pickup for a DII school though. He would have been a solid signing for a low-level Big East school.

Posted by npb7768 on 10/30/2016 5:57:00 PM (view original):
i got Div-1 Thomas Reese at D2 Hawaii Pacific on the first night in Smith. i had loaded him up in Period 1 with 450 AP's, a campus visit, a starting spot, and 20 guaranteed minutes. At the end of Period 1, I was the only team considering him at all. Reese was an "Early" signer.

i noticed after i signed him that first night that Providence appeared on the considering list.

Having said all this, i think it would have been better if 24 hours had passed before the Period 2 signing. The Providence coach should have been given an opportunity to make a run at the player, even as i still threw 56 AP's at him each cycle.

I agree with him signing in the situation of "Early" preference. The mere word LATE implies he will check all options and sign further along in the process. For a D2 to sign a LATE recruit after onlt three hours of part two, really has started to eat at me. The further along in the part two process I go, without signing my three open slots, I get a little madder with each passing cycle.

I REALLY AM SEEING why the EE slot issue is so great to those people who have multiple draftee's leave!
Something must be done, perhaps one division down must have twenty four hours for schools in division to find them. Why should D1 Elites have to recruit players a class below their divisions?

Posted by wvufan76 on 10/31/2016 10:07:00 AM (view original):

Posted by npb7768 on 10/30/2016 5:57:00 PM (view original):
i got Div-1 Thomas Reese at D2 Hawaii Pacific on the first night in Smith. i had loaded him up in Period 1 with 450 AP's, a campus visit, a starting spot, and 20 guaranteed minutes. At the end of Period 1, I was the only team considering him at all. Reese was an "Early" signer.

i noticed after i signed him that first night that Providence appeared on the considering list.

Having said all this, i think it would have been better if 24 hours had passed before the Period 2 signing. The Providence coach should have been given an opportunity to make a run at the player, even as i still threw 56 AP's at him each cycle.

I agree with him signing in the situation of "Early" preference. The mere word LATE implies he will check all options and sign further along in the process. For a D2 to sign a LATE recruit after onlt three hours of part two, really has started to eat at me. The further along in the part two process I go, without signing my three open slots, I get a little madder with each passing cycle.

I REALLY AM SEEING why the EE slot issue is so great to those people who have multiple draftee's leave!
Something must be done, perhaps one division down must have twenty four hours for schools in division to find them. Why should D1 Elites have to recruit players a class below their divisions?

I am with you .. we need some protected time in the second session and the second session needs to be longer.

Posted by CoachSpud on 10/31/2016 2:17:00 PM (view original):
"Something must be done ... " Early in the beta the beta forum was a chorus calli g for protections for higher level coaches, D1 coaches. Seble nerfed D2/D3 recruiting -- especially D3 budgets -- boosted D1 budgets relative to lower levels, put in a red light against D2/D3 only, etc., favored D1 recruiting in every imaginable way, and the chorus had quieted down for a while. Is this thread the beginning of another chorus calling for more advantages for D1? Are we in for another storm of exaggeration and hyperbole? Example: "Why should D1 Elites have to recruit players a class below their divisions?" NOTE: They don't, of course.

"... protected time in the second session..." Or, just learn to line up backups to cover your bases in advance, or assume the risk if you do not do so.

D3 recruiting is already like finding food in a grocery store after a rioting mob trashes the place. Finding a recruit with sufficient skill to tie his own shoes is difficult. Athleticism scores suggest they may be injured getting on and off the bus. [To the tune of Jingle Bells: "Oh what fun it is to ride on a roster of one-legged players."]

"The mere word LATE implies he will check all options and sign further along in the process." Actually, the word "late" as it is used here means some time in the second session.

Did you actually read the posts? Noone is saying elite D1s should have an advantage. Its about coaches who took over new schools having a HUGE disadvantage.

Also, a general point... in the last 2 cycles of Period 1, there is a flurry of activity and oddball or unexpected things can happen at the last possible moment. As it stands now, when Period 2 starts, the weird effects of late Period 1 are still in place.

So I think it would be a good thing for the game to do this:
- keep the initial 8am to 5pm adjustment period...
- then continue with 6 hours cycles from first day 5pm til 5pm the following day with no signings, but jockeying for position with recruiting...
- then allow signings after that, for 48 hours (which would extend Period 2 by a day).

As I said in my post up above, I benefitted from the current set-up with Hawaii Pacific in Smith. My target Reese had an "Early" preference, and he signed the first night of Period 2. I would have no problem as a D-2 school if there was that 24 hour no-sign period that we're discussing.

"D3 recruiting is already like finding food in a grocery store after a rioting mob trashes the place. Finding a recruit with sufficient skill to tie his own shoes is difficult"

And HOW do you know what DIII recruiting is like in 3.0 after BETA? What DIII teams are you or your alias' currently coaching?

Please for the love of god, no one quote Spud or reply to him. It's tempting, I know but it's not worth it. We are all thinking the same thing.. just ignore him.