Did a search but all threads were 3-4 years old. Is there no rhyme nor reason to development/decline? Some guys declined in Green or improved in Red or did nothing in either. I just don't see a pattern.

Correct-there's no rhyme or reason. The only consistent is stamina will generally drop in the off-season. And of course, improvements/declines are based on WE.

It almost has to be the product of a series of random number generations. I tried charting it early on and found no other rhyme or reason to answer why in some cases the 35 WE guy has more growth in the offseason than the 70+ WE guy while at other times the latter gains 20+ points in the offseason while the former basically comes back the same player with 4 fewer stamina points. The higher the WE, the more likely it seems that players will gain points in attribute categories in the off-season and the less likely they are to lose points, but it certainly isn't an assurance. Where those gains and losses occur also doesn't seem tied to potential level, so I'm pretty sure it's just a proverbial "roll of the dice" and stamina just has its own unique chart when it comes to that roll.

the only assurance is very low WE guys lose all if not more than they gained in the offseason. All else it's a complete crap shoot.

I don't know that that's true unless 23 isn't considered low.

Type	A	SPD	REB	DE	BLK	LP	PE	BH	P	WE	ST	DU	FT	OVR
Current	44	54	9	33	9	9	35	48	38	23	75	96	B+	473
Season Start	44	54	9	33	9	9	35	48	38	23	75	96	B+	473
Season End	44	52	9	32	9	9	34	49	38	23	79	94	B	472
Season Start	44	51	10	31	9	9	33	40	29	20	78	94	B	448

This is my highest WE guy:

Type	A	SPD	REB	DE	BLK	LP	PE	BH	P	WE	ST	DU	FT	OVR
Current	52	48	15	43	15	40	46	60	51	65	68	72	C	575
Season Start	52	48	15	43	15	40	46	60	51	65	68	72	C	575
Season End	50	46	15	40	14	39	47	61	51	65	68	67	C-	563
Season Start	49	45	15	31	13	28	23	45	38	56	68	66	D+	477

And the highest overall gain:

Type	A	SPD	REB	DE	BLK	LP	PE	BH	P	WE	ST	DU	FT	OVR
Current	40	59	52	33	47	36	60	34	48	61	79	51	C-	600
Season Start	40	59	52	33	47	36	60	34	48	61	79	51	C-	600
Season End	38	56	50	32	45	34	60	34	48	61	78	48	C-	584
Season Start	32	51	45	30	40	24	60	32	37	57	74	46	D+	528
Season End	32	49	45	29	38	24	60	30	35	57	77	44	D	520
Season Start	23	39	43	26	31	14	60	30	23	52	70	39	D-	450

As I said, it made no sense but I figured I was missing something.

Posted by darnoc29099 on 2/5/2017 8:09:00 AM (view original):
Correct-there's no rhyme or reason. The only consistent is stamina will generally drop in the off-season. And of course, improvements/declines are based on WE.

There probably is some sort of "rhyme or reason." We just don't know what it is, and a lot of guys around here believe if they can't see something then that's proof it doesn't exist.

Would you do the research and educate the rest of us? I've looked at my team, and several others, and can't find a pattern.

I'm not actually that concerned with off-season development, except after the fact as part of overall increase.

Posted by CoachSpud on 2/5/2017 2:59:00 PM (view original):

Posted by darnoc29099 on 2/5/2017 8:09:00 AM (view original):
Correct-there's no rhyme or reason. The only consistent is stamina will generally drop in the off-season. And of course, improvements/declines are based on WE.

There probably is some sort of "rhyme or reason." We just don't know what it is, and a lot of guys around here believe if they can't see something then that's proof it doesn't exist.

I'll take my 150+ seasons of 'evidence' over your made up 'theory'.

Posted by CoachSpud on 2/5/2017 3:05:00 PM (view original):
I'm not actually that concerned with off-season development, except after the fact as part of overall increase.

Is that a "No, I'm not going to do any research but I'll happily spout BS theories about it"?

if there is any rhyme or reason, it is for sure not in any obvious pattern

I cant say that I have recorded data systematically and searched for any correlations between changes and the variables that one could imagine matter - but nothing has ever jumped out

I dont check carefully for correlations having found none for many seasons

There's a correlation, it just isn't linear. The higher the WE the more likely there will be an offseason gain. Don't think so hard about. The dude with a 78 WE is probably going to go up 5-20 points; the guy with a 16 is going to lose 5 or so.

Posted by CoachSpud on 2/5/2017 3:05:00 PM (view original):
I'm not actually that concerned with off-season development, except after the fact as part of overall increase.

+1. Mike don't worry about it too much.

Its just a very loose correlation with WE.

agree for sure correlation with WE

I meant no other pattern that I know of what improves