Rule V Leg #57 Draft Thread Topic

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Originally created many moons ago by examinerebb, this league makes any franchise a contender (the Twins made the World Series the last two seasons), and a better group of owners can't be found on the site. There is much good-natured banter in the draft thread and the league chat, so bring your sense of humor. The rules are simple:

1. Each owner chooses a franchise. Franchise draft order is in inverse order of win percentage from the previous season for non-playoff teams, then inverse order of win percentage of non-World Series playoff teams, with the WS runner-up picking 23rd, and the WS champ choosing last. New owners will be assigned the draft position of any previous owners who are not returning, with the first to sign up receiving the highest slot, and so on. Division alignment will be determined by the commissioner after team selection is complete. We will attempt to keep divisions as close to real life as possible. Geography will be the first factor, but we will also attempt to maintain traditional rivalries if possible.

2. Each owner chooses five players he/she wishes to protect from that franchise (1969-present) and submits that list via sitemail to me. Those players are the exclusive property of their respective owners.

3. After all lists are submitted, they will be posted and a three round modified Rule V draft will be held, with draft order being inverse order of each franchise's Rule V win percentage through all legs from which we have data (the worst teams pick first). Many thanks to schwarze for compiling this data. Each owner selects one unprotected player from any active franchise but their own (player seasons for franchises that were not chosen are not eligible). That player is also theirs exclusively. No more than two players may be taken from any one franchise in any one round.

4. At the end of the first and second rounds, each owner will choose an additional player they wish to protect. You will end up protecting seven in all, while drafting three. These ten players must appear on your roster. The rest of the roster is filled by players from your franchise during the given time period (1969-present day).

$120 Million Cap
No trades
No WW
No DH
No AAA
  • No clones (same player, same franchise - if a player played for more than one franchise, he is available once for each franchise)
  • If a player split time between multiple teams in a season (as listed at WIS) his full season is available once for each team
  • SLL limited to current series
  • Stadium must have been used by your franchise for at least one full season between 1969-present
  • Tiebreaker for draft positions will be run differential from the previous season, worse differential picks first

    For those new to the Rule V fold:

    There is much good-natured ribbing during the draft (we try not to be too player-specific, so as not to influence the draft, but sometimes the temptation is too much). Do not take it personally. Pick a draft strategy and stay the course, regardless.

    Glossary

    He Who Must Not Be Named (HWMNBN) - A former player/manager/dirtbag for the Cincinnati Reds (and later, Philadelphia Phillies and Montreal Expos) who defiled the grand game of baseball. No Rule V team has ever won a title with him, so heed jose's warnings about karma. I would imagine Lady Karma grows weary from teaching the same lesson over and over, as the ruler with which she raps offending knuckles seems to grow with each passing season. The scumbag finally won a couple of championships. Lady Karma has stunned us all with this development

    The Single Most Overrated Pitcher of All Time (TSMOPOAT) - Nolan Ryan

    The Single Most Overrated Position Player of All Time (TSMOPPOAT) - Cal Ripken, Jr.

    (Both of those players designated by Vegas...see below)

    Vegas - jose can u c - Our Rule V Prediction King (emeritus)

    Newest Entry: Alleyviper's Favorite Third Baseman of All Time (AFTBOAT) - Scott Rolen (has picked him at least four drafts)
8/19/2017 12:52 PM
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Player Draft Order - Franchises selected are in RED.
Rank Franchise Years _Wins_ Losses Wining%
1 Rays 9 549 909 0.3765
2 D'backs 18 1297 1619 0.4448
3 Tigers 28 2115 2423 0.4661
4 White Sox 14 1069 1199 0.4713
5 Pirates 26 2001 2211 0.4751
6 Rockies 14 1081 1187 0.4766
7 Rangers 21 1649 1754 0.4846
8 Twins 29 2280 2420 0.4851
9 Angels 22 1740 1824 0.4882
10 Brewers 29 2303 2398 0.4899
11 Marlins 25 1997 2055 0.4928
12 Orioles 31 2482 2541 0.4941
13 Expos 38 3057 3102 0.4963
14 Blue Jays 34 2736 2774 0.4966
15 Mariners 36 2916 2918 0.4998
16 Red Sox 38 3083 3074 0.5007
17 Padres 29 2362 2337 0.5027
18 Indians 36 2935 2898 0.5032
19 Phillies 37 3032 2965 0.5056
20 Cubs 29 2386 2312 0.5079
21 Mets 35 2881 2790 0.5080
22 Royals 33 2735 2613 0.5114
23 Braves 37 3067 2927 0.5117
24 Giants 37 3071 2926 0.5121
25 Reds 30 2495 2366 0.5133
26 Cardinals 38 3201 2956 0.5199
27 Yankees 34 2875 2633 0.5220
28 Dodgers 37 3173 2823 0.5292
29 A's 38 3280 2877 0.5327
30 Astros 38 3376 2781 0.5483
8/22/2017 12:25 PM (edited)
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Franchise Draft Order (timed schedule starts Monday 8/21)
  1. tridentric 51-111 .315 Cleveland Indians
  2. spoonfed 53-109 .327 Los Angeles Dodgers^
  3. dilligafdbp 67-95 .414 Minnesota Twins ^
  4. ChitownBluz 70-92 .432 Atlanta Braves^
  5. deathdealer 72-90 .444 Toronto Blue Jays^
  6. alice 75-87 .463 St. Louis Cardinals^
  7. specsman 76-86 .469 Cincinnati Reds^
  8. spikeboots 77-85 .475 New York Yankees^
  9. mussopini23 78-84 .481 Houston Astros^
  10. nordawg 78-84 .481 Detroit Tigers
  11. newarkwilder 81-81 .500 Arizona Diamondbacks^
  12. moses_k 84-78 .519 Oakland Athletics^
  13. pumpkinmcp 85-77 .525 Chicago Cubs^
  14. shaybee 85-77 .525 Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals^
  15. alleyviper 90-72 .556 Texas Rangers^
  16. laramiebob 90-72 .556 Chicago White Sox^
  17. tjefferson 87-75 .537* Colorado Rockies^
  18. ff09 88-74 .543* New York Mets^
  19. sinfonian11 89-73 .549* Baltimore Orioles^
  20. Chisock 90-72 .556* Philadelphia Phillies^
  21. llcoach 92-70 .568* San Diego Padres^
  22. buddhagamer 97-65 .599* San Francisco Giants^
  23. schwarze 88-74 .543% Kansas City Royals^
  24. rbow923 101-61 .623$ Boston Red Sox^
^ third round keeper sent

* playoff team
% WS runner-up
$ WS champs

Owner list for sitemailing: tjefferson; mussopini23; alice; specsman; spoonfed; sinfonian11; llcoach; pumpkinmcp; tridentric; ChitownBluz; newarkwilder; Chisock; dilligafdbp; spikeboots; alleyviper; nordawg; moses_k; ff09; rbow923; laramiebob; shaybee; deathdealer; schwarze; buddhagamer

Division Alignment

NL East: Braves, Phillies, Expos/Nationals, Mets
NL Central: Cardinals, Cubs, Reds, Rockies
NL West: Diamondbacks, Dodgers, Giants, Padres
AL East: Yankees, Red Sox, Blue Jays, Orioles
AL Central: White Sox, Twins, Tigers, Indians
AL West: Royals, Rangers, Astros, Athletics
8/29/2017 4:32 PM (edited)
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Player Draft First Round (timed schedule starts Thursday 8/24)
  1. newarkwilder - Arizona Diamondbacks: Joe Morgan - CIN
  2. nordawg - Detroit Tigers: Fritz Peterson - NYY
  3. laramiebob - Chicago White Sox: Chris Carpenter - STL
  4. tjefferson - Colorado Rockies: TSMOPOAT - HOU
  5. alleyviper - Texas Rangers: Mark McGwire - STL (Cardinals off the board)
  6. dilligafdbp - Minnesota Twins: Orel Hershiser - LAD
  7. sinfonian11 - Baltimore Orioles: Chipper Jones - ATL
  8. shaybee - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals: Kris Medlen - ATL (Braves off the board)
  9. deathdealer - Toronto Blue Jays: Fernando Valenzuela - LAD (Dodgers off the board)
  10. rbow923 - Boston Red Sox: Dave Righetti - NYY (Yankees off the board)
  11. llcoach - San Diego Padres: Fred Lynn - BOS
  12. tridentric - Cleveland Indians: Pascual Perez - MON/WSH
  13. Chisock - Philadelphia Phillies: Barry Larkin - CIN (Reds off the board)
  14. pumpkinmcp - Chicago Cubs: JR Richard - HOU (Astros off the board)
  15. ff09 - New York Mets: Nomar Garciaparra - BOS (Red Sox off the board)
  16. schwarze - Kansas City Royals: Jose Reyes - NYM
  17. ChitownBluz - Atlanta Braves: Ken Singleton - BAL
  18. buddhagamer - San Francisco Giants: Albert Belle - CHW
  19. specsman - Cincinnati Reds: Kyle Hendricks - CHC
  20. alice - St. Louis Cardinals: Willie Wilson - KCR
  21. spikeboots - New York Yankees: Bret Saberhagen - NYM (Mets off the board)
  22. spoonfed - Los Angeles Dodgers: Jason Giambi - OAK
  23. moses_k - Oakland Athletics: Buster Posey - SFG
  24. mussopini23 - Houston Astros: Michael Young - TEX
Player Draft Second Round (timed schedule starts Monday 8/28)
  1. newarkwilder - Arizona Diamondbacks: Kevin Brown - LAD
  2. nordawg - Detroit Tigers: Mariano Rivera - NYY
  3. laramiebob - Chicago White Sox: Jim Edmonds - STL
  4. tjefferson - Colorado Rockies: Hideo Nomo - LAD (Dodgers off the board)
  5. alleyviper - Texas Rangers: Carl Yastrzemski - BOS
  6. dilligafdbp - Minnesota Twins: Madison Bumgarner - SFG
  7. sinfonian11 - Baltimore Orioles: Rickey Henderson - NYY (Yankees off the board)
  8. shaybee - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals: David Wright - NYM
  9. deathdealer - Toronto Blue Jays: Ivan Rodriguez - TEX
  10. rbow923 - Boston Red Sox: Tim Burke - MON/WSH
  11. llcoach - San Diego Padres: Rich Aurillia - SFG (Giants off the board)
  12. tridentric - Cleveland Indians: Rich Hill - CHC
  13. Chisock - Philadelphia Phillies: Carlos Beltran - NYM (Mets off the board)
  14. pumpkinmcp - Chicago Cubs: Eric Davis - CIN
  15. ff09 - New York Mets: Gary Sheffield - ATL
  16. schwarze - Kansas City Royals: Cesar Cedeno - HOU
  17. ChitownBluz - Atlanta Braves: Billy Wagner - HOU (Astros off the board)
  18. buddhagamer - San Francisco Giants: Javy Lopez - ATL (Braves off the board)
  19. specsman - Cincinnati Reds: Jimmy Rollins - PHI
  20. alice - St. Louis Cardinals: Wade Davis - KCR
  21. spikeboots - New York Yankees: Rafael Betancourt - CLE
  22. spoonfed - Los Angeles Dodgers: Vladimir Guerrero - MON/WSH (Expos/Nats off the board)
  23. moses_k - Oakland Athletics: Jacoby Ellsbury - BOS (Red Sox off the board)
  24. mussopini23 - Houston Astros: Ted Simmons - STL (Cardinals off the board)
Player Draft Third Round (timed schedule starts Thursday 8/31)
  1. newarkwilder - Arizona Diamondbacks: Derek Jeter - NYY
  2. nordawg - Detroit Tigers: Jerry Reuss - LAD
  3. laramiebob - Chicago White Sox: Matt Cain - SFG
  4. tjefferson - Colorado Rockies: Jacob DeGrom - NYM
  5. alleyviper - Texas Rangers: Alex Rodriguez - NYY (Yankees off the board)
  6. dilligafdbp - Minnesota Twins: AFTBOAT - STL
  7. sinfonian11 - Baltimore Orioles: Larry Dierker - HOU
  8. shaybee - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals: Howard Johnson - NYM (Mets off the board)
  9. deathdealer - Toronto Blue Jays: Don Wilson - HOU (Astros off the board)
  10. rbow923 - Boston Red Sox: Steve Ontiveros - OAK
  11. llcoach - San Diego Padres: Will Clark - SFG (Giants off the board)
  12. tridentric - Cleveland Indians: Koji Uehara - BOS
  13. Chisock - Philadelphia Phillies: Rich Hill - LAD
  14. pumpkinmcp - Chicago Cubs: Carlos Guillen - DET
  15. ff09 - New York Mets: Jose Canseco - OAK (Athletics off the board)
  16. schwarze - Kansas City Royals: Mark Texeira - ATL
  17. ChitownBluz - Atlanta Braves: Keith Foulke - CHW
  18. buddhagamer - San Francisco Giants: Omar Vizquel - CLE
  19. specsman - Cincinnati Reds: Todd Frohwirth - BAL
  20. alice - St. Louis Cardinals: Jose Vidro - MON/WSH
  21. spikeboots - New York Yankees: Doug Fister - DET (Tigers off the board)
  22. spoonfed - Los Angeles Dodgers: Manny Ramirez - CLE (Indians off the board)
  23. moses_k - Oakland Athletics: Roberto Alomar - TOR
  24. mussopini23 - Houston Astros: Rico Carty - ATL (Braves off the board)
9/1/2017 10:40 AM (edited)
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List of keepers/draftees

newarkwilder - Arizona Diamondbacks: Paul Goldschmidt, Luis Gonzalez, AJ Pollock, Randy Johnson, Curt Schilling, Joe Morgan - CIN, Daniel Hudson, Kevin Brown - LAD, Miguel Montero, Derek Jeter - NYY

nordawg - Detroit Tigers: Justin Verlander, Max Scherzer, Miguel Cabrera, Magglio Ordonez, Alan Trammell, Fritz Peterson - NYY, Tony Phillips, Mariano Rivera - NYY, Willie Hernandez, Jerry Reuss - LAD

laramiebob - Chicago White Sox: Frank Thomas, Magglio Ordonez, Wilber Wood, Chris Sale, Jack McDowell, Chris Carpenter - STL, Robin Ventura, Jim Edmonds - STL, Esteban Loaiza, Matt Cain - SFG

tjefferson - Colorado Rockies: Todd Helton, Larry Walker, Troy Tulowitzki, Ellis Burks, Nolan Arenado, TSMOPOAT - HOU, DJ LeMahieu, Hideo Nomo - LAD, Ubaldo Jimenez, Jacob DeGrom - NYM

alleyviper - Texas Rangers: Mike Napoli, Adrian Beltre, Alex Rodriguez, Josh Hamilton, TSMOPOAT, Mark McGwire - STL, Mike Adams, Carl Yastrzemski - BOS, Fergie Jenkins, Alex Rodriguez - NYY

dilligafdbp - Minnesota Twins: Joe Mauer, Rod Carew, Chuck Knoblauch, Kirby Puckett, Johan Santana, Orel Hershiser - LAD, Joe Nathan, Madison Bumgarner - SFG, Lyman Bostock, AFTBOAT - STL

sinfonian11 - Baltimore Orioles: Jim Palmer, Mike Cuellar, TSMOPPOAT, Roberto Alomar, Chris Hoiles, Chipper Jones - ATL, Zach Britton, Rickey Henderson - NYY, Andrew Miller, Larry Dierker - HOU

shaybee - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals: Pedro Martinez, Max Scherzer, Bryce Harper, Tim Raines, Daniel Murphy, Kris Medlen - ATL, Gary Carter, David Wright - NYM, Andre Dawson, Howard Johnson - NYM

deathdealer - Toronto Blue Jays: Roger Clemens, Jose Bautista, John Olerud, Tony Fernandez, Carlos Delgado, Fernando Valenzuela - LAD, Mark Eichhorn, Ivan Rodriguez - TEX, BJ Ryan, Don Wilson - HOU

rbow923 - Boston Red Sox: Pedro Martinez, Roger Clemens, Wade Boggs, Rico Petrocelli, Carlton Fisk, Dave Righetti - NYY, Derek Lowe, Tim Burke - MON/WSH, Dustin Pedroia, Steve Ontiveros - OAK

llcoach - San Diego Padres: Ken Caminiti, Tony Gwynn, Randy Jones, Kevin Brown, Jake Peavy, Fred Lynn - BOS, Trevor Hoffman, Rich Aurillia - SFG, Mark Loretta, Will Clark - SFG

tridentric - Cleveland Indians: Roberto Alomar, Kenny Lofton, Albert Belle, Francisco Lindor, Gaylord Perry, Pascual Perez - MON/WSH, Andrew Miller, Rich Hill - CHC, Cory Kluber, Koji Uehara - BOS

Chisock - Philadelphia Phillies: Mike Schmidt, Lenny Dykstra, Steve Carlton, Curt Schilling, Roy Halladay, Barry Larkin - CIN, Bobby Abreu, Carlos Beltran - NYM, Chase Utley, Rich Hill - LAD

pumpkinmcp - Chicago Cubs: Derrek Lee, Ryne Sandberg, Sammy Sosa, Jake Arrieta, Greg Maddux, JR Richard - HOU, Bruce Sutter, Eric Davis - CIN, Rich Harden, Carlos Guillen - DET

ff09 - New York Mets: Dwight Gooden, Tom Seaver, Pedro Martinez, Matt Harvey, John Olerud, Nomar Garciaparra - BOS, Lance Johnson, Gary Sheffield - ATL, Edgardo Alfonso, Jose Canseco - OAK

schwarze - Kansas City Royals: Bret Saberhagen, Kevin Appier, Zack Greinke, Darrell Porter, George Brett, Jose Reyes - NYM, David Cone, Cesar Cedeno - HOU, Johnny Damon, Mark Texeira - ATL

ChitownBluz - Atlanta Braves: Andruw Jones, Hank Aaron, Greg Maddux, John Smoltz, Kevin Millwood, Ken Singleton - BAL, Rafael Furcal, Billy Wagner - HOU, Craig Kimbrel, Keith Foulke - CHW

buddhagamer - San Francisco Giants: Barry Bonds, Willie McCovey, Juan Marichal, Jason Schmidt, Tim Lincecum, Albert Belle - CHW, Jeff Kent, Javy Lopez - ATL, Kevin Mitchell, Omar Vizquel - CLE

specsman - Cincinnati Reds: Tom Seaver, Johnny Cueto, Johnny Bench, George Foster, Joey Votto, Kyle Hendricks - CHC, HWMNBN, Jimmy Rollins - PHI, Aroldis Chapman, Todd Frohwirth - BAL

alice - St. Louis Cardinals: Albert Pujols, Joe Torre, Willie McGee, Bob Gibson, John Tudor, Willie Wilson - KCR, Ozzie Smith, Wade Davis - KCR, Jose DeLeon, Jose Vidro - MON/WSH

spikeboots - New York Yankees: Ron Guidry, Catfish Hunter, Bernie Williams, Paul O'Neill, Robinson Cano, Bret Saberhagen - NYM, Bobby Murcer, Rafael Betancourt - CLE, Andrew Miller, Doug Fister - DET

spoonfed - Los Angeles Dodgers: Adrian Beltre, Mike Piazza, Clayton Kershaw, Zack Greinke, Don Sutton, Jason Giambi - OAK, Steve Sax, Vladimir Guerrero - MON/WSH, Eric Gagne, Manny Ramirez - CLE

moses_k - Oakland Athletics: Vida Blue, Catfish Hunter, Mike Norris, Dennis Eckersley, Rickey Henderson, Buster Posey - SFG, Josh Donaldson, Jacoby Ellsbury - BOS, Mark McGwire, Roberto Alomar - TOR

mussopini23 - Houston Astros: Roger Clemens, Mike Scott, Don Sutton, Jeff Bagwell, Lance Berkman, Michael Young - TEX, Jose Altuve, Ted Simmons - STL, Dallas Keuchel, Rico Carty - ATL
9/1/2017 10:41 AM (edited)
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8/19/2017 2:20 PM
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8/20/2017 9:10 AM
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Just found out from Robin4 that he can't draft this week. Sitemailed deathdealer to see if he can jump in.
8/20/2017 9:28 AM
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Posted by sinfonian11 on 8/20/2017 9:28:00 AM (view original):
Just found out from Robin4 that he can't draft this week. Sitemailed deathdealer to see if he can jump in.
can we continue with draft? new owner goes to the bottom?
8/20/2017 10:16 AM
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Posted by ff09 on 8/20/2017 10:16:00 AM (view original):
Posted by sinfonian11 on 8/20/2017 9:28:00 AM (view original):
Just found out from Robin4 that he can't draft this week. Sitemailed deathdealer to see if he can jump in.
can we continue with draft? new owner goes to the bottom?
Yes, we'll continue with the draft. New owner will have Robin's spot, but will get skipped tomorrow if I haven't heard back from deathdealer. Giving him 24 hours, then going to the next name on the waitlist.
8/20/2017 8:01 PM
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I'm in
8/20/2017 9:06 PM
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Posted by deathdealer on 8/20/2017 9:06:00 PM (view original):
I'm in
Thanks for jumping back in. We should be all set for the timed schedule today.
8/21/2017 5:27 AM
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I sitemailed ChitownBluz to remind him it's his turn.
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