Using kenpom's formula for points per possession and I have a question...

If I have a guard that is great with assists, does decreasing his distribution have an effect on increasing his assist numbers?

Conversely, I have a big who turns over a lot. But the formula says his points per possession is highly productive. So when I increase his distribution, his turnovers also increase... but do I trust the formula and do that?

Regarding the PG, I always wonder this as well. It makes sense, as the offense runs through the PG. And if he's not shooting, he's passing. So this is what i assume as well.

From my experience, less distro equals more assists and less to's. More distro equals less assists and more to's.

I'm curious about this myself. Because i have a sophomore PG (that I redshirted this season so I'll get 3 solid seasons of production from him) who will be 100 PER and 90ish PA at D2. I'm not sure how to handle that distro. Obviously he'll be a big part of my offense regardless. But if he becomes an elite scorer, how will his assists play out

There is probably little info to be gleaned from this but I played 28 games with same distro on 5 starters. 15 for SG/PF/C and 5 for PG/SF.

Low passing PF29/C47 were essentially black holes. 273/245 shots, 71/66 A/TO. C had a higher FGA/A/TO ratio per minute played, .473 to .447.
SG with 66 passing, took the most shots(294) but was 2nd in A/TO to the PG with 131. PM ratio of .529.
PG with 67 passing took the least shots(117) and had the most A/TO(144). PM ratio of .384
SF with 50 passing took 154 shots, A/TO of 85. PM ratio of .342

Trying to reconstruct what happened by looking at those numbers, I'd say the PG brought it down the court but, if he passed to the SG with 15 dist, the offense ran thru the SG. Or, if the ball was passed inside, it seldom came back out. FWIW, the C/PF had 76/74 OREB as well. The SF with 5 distro was practically left out of the offensive production.

We have been told in the past by admin that assists are just cosmetic and dont reflect any real effects in the engine - now maybe they still tell us something about how guys are playing

Posted by fd343ny on 2/9/2018 12:16:00 PM (view original):
We have been told in the past by admin that assists are just cosmetic and dont reflect any real effects in the engine - now maybe they still tell us something about how guys are playing

Assists are an outcome. They are assigned based on position and pass value of the players on the court.

PASS is the important input. PG's with high pass are a huge + for offensive efficiency for the team.

I consider PASS the #1 core for PG's in every offense other than FB (I think it's second in that). A pretty solid coach I know seems to think that a zero distro PG helps efficiency "more than it should" and while I don't completely agree with this I don't disagree either.

Posted by Trentonjoe on 2/9/2018 12:53:00 PM (view original):

Posted by fd343ny on 2/9/2018 12:16:00 PM (view original):
We have been told in the past by admin that assists are just cosmetic and dont reflect any real effects in the engine - now maybe they still tell us something about how guys are playing

Assists are an outcome. They are assigned based on position and pass value of the players on the court.

PASS is the important input. PG's with high pass are a huge + for offensive efficiency for the team.

I consider PASS the #1 core for PG's in every offense other than FB (I think it's second in that). A pretty solid coach I know seems to think that a zero distro PG helps efficiency "more than it should" and while I don't completely agree with this I don't disagree either.

This makes sense to me. So in the case of a 100 PER and 100 PA with good IQ, it's best to focus on the scoring you need him to do, and the assists will just come along?

In other words, a distro of 1 or 10 won't create a large difference in assists, only in scoring. Because the assists will come from the flow of the offense, based on the opponents defenders and defensive set, PA rating, along with the other ratings that factor in... SPD/ATH/ST. Correct?

"So in the case of a 100 PER and 100 PA with good IQ, it's best to focus on the scoring you need him to do, and the assists will just come along? "

Kinda, I mean the more shots he takes the less likely he is to get an assist. I think the ration of assists/FG remains constant but if he is getting 30% of his available assists and he makes zero of the 20 FGs he will get 6.. If he makes 5 of the 20FG's, 30% of 15 FGs is 4.5.

Posted by Trentonjoe on 2/9/2018 12:53:00 PM (view original):

Posted by fd343ny on 2/9/2018 12:16:00 PM (view original):
We have been told in the past by admin that assists are just cosmetic and dont reflect any real effects in the engine - now maybe they still tell us something about how guys are playing

Assists are an outcome. They are assigned based on position and pass value of the players on the court.

PASS is the important input. PG's with high pass are a huge + for offensive efficiency for the team.

I consider PASS the #1 core for PG's in every offense other than FB (I think it's second in that). A pretty solid coach I know seems to think that a zero distro PG helps efficiency "more than it should" and while I don't completely agree with this I don't disagree either.

Are you saying when you build a team, you look for zero distro PGs? Or low distro...

For team offensive efficiency you prefer to not run a scorer at PG?

Posted by craigaltonw on 2/10/2018 2:47:00 AM (view original):

Posted by Trentonjoe on 2/9/2018 12:53:00 PM (view original):

Posted by fd343ny on 2/9/2018 12:16:00 PM (view original):
We have been told in the past by admin that assists are just cosmetic and dont reflect any real effects in the engine - now maybe they still tell us something about how guys are playing

Assists are an outcome. They are assigned based on position and pass value of the players on the court.

PASS is the important input. PG's with high pass are a huge + for offensive efficiency for the team.

I consider PASS the #1 core for PG's in every offense other than FB (I think it's second in that). A pretty solid coach I know seems to think that a zero distro PG helps efficiency "more than it should" and while I don't completely agree with this I don't disagree either.

Are you saying when you build a team, you look for zero distro PGs? Or low distro...

For team offensive efficiency you prefer to not run a scorer at PG?

I am not saying that but I think it’s a fine game plan.

the problem with that theory is that it limits recruiting and single game planning. Pg cores, IMO, are pass, speed, and bh. Many players with high speed also have high perimeter. I wouldn’t not recruit a guy because he also has a solid perimeter score. Also, many people skimp on ath and def for their pgs, I would be silly, IMO, to not attack a poor defender if you have an advantage.

with that being said, if you can sign a pg cheaply with excellent pg skills that has limited to no ability to score I think those guys are bargains.

to sum up, I think of ability to score as tertiary in importance after pg skills and defensive skills.

Posted by Trentonjoe on 2/10/2018 6:50:00 AM (view original):

Posted by craigaltonw on 2/10/2018 2:47:00 AM (view original):

Posted by Trentonjoe on 2/9/2018 12:53:00 PM (view original):

Posted by fd343ny on 2/9/2018 12:16:00 PM (view original):
We have been told in the past by admin that assists are just cosmetic and dont reflect any real effects in the engine - now maybe they still tell us something about how guys are playing

Assists are an outcome. They are assigned based on position and pass value of the players on the court.

PASS is the important input. PG's with high pass are a huge + for offensive efficiency for the team.

I consider PASS the #1 core for PG's in every offense other than FB (I think it's second in that). A pretty solid coach I know seems to think that a zero distro PG helps efficiency "more than it should" and while I don't completely agree with this I don't disagree either.

Are you saying when you build a team, you look for zero distro PGs? Or low distro...

For team offensive efficiency you prefer to not run a scorer at PG?

I am not saying that but I think it’s a fine game plan.

the problem with that theory is that it limits recruiting and single game planning. Pg cores, IMO, are pass, speed, and bh. Many players with high speed also have high perimeter. I wouldn’t not recruit a guy because he also has a solid perimeter score. Also, many people skimp on ath and def for their pgs, I would be silly, IMO, to not attack a poor defender if you have an advantage.

with that being said, if you can sign a pg cheaply with excellent pg skills that has limited to no ability to score I think those guys are bargains.

to some up, I think of ability to score as tertiary in importance after pg skills and defensive skills.

LOL. "Sum", bro.

You got me! Good catch! I will fix it, thanks!

Board is dead and I thought the portfolio grader f'ing up was funny.

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