is this allowed anymore? what are the rules of the day? i think it was 1000 miles before i left, but i can't remember.

thanks!

1000 miles and not in the same division, right?

If it's changed, I wasn't aware.

Posted by cubcub113 on 11/29/2019 12:16:00 PM (view original):
1000 miles and not in the same division, right?

6.4.1

1000 miles and not in the same conference.

Fair Play Guidelines here.

Some say it's cheating, but it's actually not. However, there should be a rule in place where you can't have 2 teams in one world, under any circumstance.

Posted by thewizard17 on 11/30/2019 11:08:00 AM (view original):
Some say it's cheating, but it's actually not. However, there should be a rule in place where you can't have 2 teams in one world, under any circumstance.

I kind of agree with this. No matter the mileage, if I had a D2 team in Oregon and a D1 team in Florida, i could still use my D1 budget and find players in/near Florida that have far from home preference, and other beneficial preferences for my Oregon school. And pay the tiny $15 to scout Florida (from my D2 school) and sign that player.

To be honest, there's a coach or two out there that I think is doing this already. I think it's odd for a D2 team on the west coast, to have 9 players from CA, 1 from DE, 1 from GA, and one from RI. (That's just an example). I think the odds are extremely low that a D2 budget can just "happen to find" players across the country with far from home preference. In random small states. I could see if a coach scouted NY every season or something. But there's weird things I see around HD town sometimes. Makes me raise an eyebrow.

Posted by topdogggbm on 11/30/2019 11:41:00 AM (view original):

Posted by thewizard17 on 11/30/2019 11:08:00 AM (view original):
Some say it's cheating, but it's actually not. However, there should be a rule in place where you can't have 2 teams in one world, under any circumstance.

I kind of agree with this. No matter the mileage, if I had a D2 team in Oregon and a D1 team in Florida, i could still use my D1 budget and find players in/near Florida that have far from home preference, and other beneficial preferences for my Oregon school. And pay the tiny $15 to scout Florida (from my D2 school) and sign that player.

To be honest, there's a coach or two out there that I think is doing this already. I think it's odd for a D2 team on the west coast, to have 9 players from CA, 1 from DE, 1 from GA, and one from RI. (That's just an example). I think the odds are extremely low that a D2 budget can just "happen to find" players across the country with far from home preference. In random small states. I could see if a coach scouted NY every season or something. But there's weird things I see around HD town sometimes. Makes me raise an eyebrow.

In the fairplay guidelines, it says you can't share scouting information, however it needs to be reworded. The word sharing implies you're sharing the information with another user. It doesn't say anything you can't use it to your advantage for your own teams.

Posted by thewizard17 on 11/30/2019 11:59:00 AM (view original):

Posted by topdogggbm on 11/30/2019 11:41:00 AM (view original):

Posted by thewizard17 on 11/30/2019 11:08:00 AM (view original):
Some say it's cheating, but it's actually not. However, there should be a rule in place where you can't have 2 teams in one world, under any circumstance.

I kind of agree with this. No matter the mileage, if I had a D2 team in Oregon and a D1 team in Florida, i could still use my D1 budget and find players in/near Florida that have far from home preference, and other beneficial preferences for my Oregon school. And pay the tiny $15 to scout Florida (from my D2 school) and sign that player.

To be honest, there's a coach or two out there that I think is doing this already. I think it's odd for a D2 team on the west coast, to have 9 players from CA, 1 from DE, 1 from GA, and one from RI. (That's just an example). I think the odds are extremely low that a D2 budget can just "happen to find" players across the country with far from home preference. In random small states. I could see if a coach scouted NY every season or something. But there's weird things I see around HD town sometimes. Makes me raise an eyebrow.

In the fairplay guidelines, it says you can't share scouting information, however it needs to be reworded. The word sharing implies you're sharing the information with another user. It doesn't say anything you can't use it to your advantage for your own teams.

Of course. And that's what I'm getting at. Even if it's not intended, if a coach actually has a situation like I described in my example (Oregon D2 and a Florida D1), even if that coach wasn't intentionally trying to do anything foul, that coach can't help but subconsciously use it to his advantage.

The only way it would not benefit his D2 team, is if he decided himself that he is going to play in a fair manner. Which I'm SURE not everyone does

Posted by topdogggbm on 11/30/2019 11:41:00 AM (view original):

Posted by thewizard17 on 11/30/2019 11:08:00 AM (view original):
Some say it's cheating, but it's actually not. However, there should be a rule in place where you can't have 2 teams in one world, under any circumstance.

I kind of agree with this. No matter the mileage, if I had a D2 team in Oregon and a D1 team in Florida, i could still use my D1 budget and find players in/near Florida that have far from home preference, and other beneficial preferences for my Oregon school. And pay the tiny $15 to scout Florida (from my D2 school) and sign that player.

To be honest, there's a coach or two out there that I think is doing this already. I think it's odd for a D2 team on the west coast, to have 9 players from CA, 1 from DE, 1 from GA, and one from RI. (That's just an example). I think the odds are extremely low that a D2 budget can just "happen to find" players across the country with far from home preference. In random small states. I could see if a coach scouted NY every season or something. But there's weird things I see around HD town sometimes. Makes me raise an eyebrow.

It can be suspicious, and if you see it regularly from a user, it’s worth a ticket. But to be honest, you’re probably going to have to have some really solid proof, because WIS isn’t really interested in stopping people who have multiple IDs. Most of them aren’t actively trying to cheat, and the few that do have to do a lot of work to get very little value, so meh.

If a D2 is signing good, ~550 with potential, D1 pool internationals, it’s suspicious. It’s not impossible to scout them all to level four with the assistant, but because they’re getting all the D1 top 100 with that method as well, they basically don’t have room for anyone else, even with lots of scholarships.

It can be suspicious seeing a D3/D2 with players from the other side of the country, but before you cry foul, check to see if they were juco.

I look at every bit of info possible when I see odd things. And I've never officially accused anybody of foul play. I just said that I see things that make me raise an eyebrow, and makes me suspicious. I try to follow along over time. But even then, like you said, if it's not blatantly obvious, nothing will get done. But if there is some concrete evidence that it's happening, I'm sure the community would appreciate that knowledge.

This isn't something I lose sleep over. But when something looks funny to you, it's something that you can't help but notice. It stands out.

I just don't know if I would be willing to say it's cheating. They haven't broken the 1,000 mile rule. It's really on seble/WIS to make the rules clear without room for interpretation.

I will say there is a coach that deliberately cheated by claiming he had a mentally disabled brother that played and shared his username and had 2 D-1 teams within the same world, however he was caught lying when I questioned him. He was playing the victim card, where nobody would question him and if you did, you came off looking like a complete a-hole, because his brother is ahem "mentally disabled". Long story short, I caught him with multiple teams within a 1,000 mile radius. Funny part was when he asked " why haven't I won a championship then" when I made the accusations and my response was "because you suck at cheating".

This is supposed to be fun, and that sounds like a lot of effort and work for what is really specious results.

Posted by thewizard17 on 11/30/2019 4:26:00 PM (view original):
I just don't know if I would be willing to say it's cheating. They haven't broken the 1,000 mile rule. It's really on seble/WIS to make the rules clear without room for interpretation.

I will say there is a coach that deliberately cheated by claiming he had a mentally disabled brother that played and shared his username and had 2 D-1 teams within the same world, however he was caught lying when I questioned him. He was playing the victim card, where nobody would question him and if you did, you came off looking like a complete a-hole, because his brother is ahem "mentally disabled". Long story short, I caught him with multiple teams within a 1,000 mile radius. Funny part was when he asked " why haven't I won a championship then" when I made the accusations and my response was "because you suck at cheating".

From the Fair Play Guidelines:

“Collusion includes any act that supports bad, deceitful or illegal behavior agreed upon by two or more users or attempted by a single user. Here are a few examples:

• Sharing Future Stars Scouting (FSS) information between multiple teams”

Seble doesn’t need to make anything more clear. It’s clearly a violation. The problem is that it can’t be enforced, as long as they allow multiple ids. They could disallow that, and they could likely enforce it with a structural IP and/or credit card based limit; but they have not wanted to do that, because 1) there are legitimate cases of multiple family members running teams, and 2) there are legitimate reasons for wanting to keep a lower level team one has built up, but also move on in the same world.

As has been said, there isn’t a ton of value from cheating in this way in the new system. It’s quite a bit of work (and probably more money, for lots of folks) for an occasional small advantage. I have no doubt some folks use and try exploit this, some probably successfully. I do keep tabs on a couple myself.

thanks for the link to the fair play guidelines! i couldn't find them, i actually forgot that was what it was called, i was trying the FAQ to no avail.

i wasn't trying to start a debate as just find what the letter of the law was. i wanted to know the letter of the law, not the spirit, as i just have too much bad history with this issue to mess around (as a coach who started in tark, back when there was no FSS, no advantage to having 2 teams even 5 miles apart, and only one 2/day world to choose from - and as such, found myself on the wrong side of the rule when one came into existence).

hmmmm..
I feel like there was always an advantage to multiple teams ?
but i will admit my memory what HD1.0 and 2.0 was like is fuzzy at best.

hmmm..
maybe the more i think about it there was a time when there really was no scouting and you could see all recruits? i guess if thats true then there was a time when multiple teams did not afford an opportunity for advantage . that was 1.0... right? then there was scouting n 2.0, but you just had one big budget for scouting and recruiting?

someone should write a history and timeline of how HD has changed along with commentaries of how the various changes have worked out.